Fluoride spill at Water Treatment plant burns holes through cement

[PatriotPride]

You're killing the conspiracy buzz, now he has go back on Yahoo and dig for the next juicy .GOV problem. He's dying before our very eyes!

I enjoy it when you troll through the threads and post meaningless drivel.

Problem?

 

[patience0830]

Good teeth

I don''t feel any the worse for wear after 50 yrs of flouride treatments and flouride toothpaste and I still have pretty good teeth. It might be working.

And if nobody has mentioned it, hydroflouric acid is used to etch glass and is most usually contained in plastic containers. Ain't modern chemistry wunnerful?

 

[longbow]

Suckers.....

I'm on a well, no fluoride at my place, but I do have fluoride toothpaste..................

Was it powder or liquid form, I'm too lazy to read it. Most of the water company's I have delt with use a powder that is metered into the treatment system.



edit to my own post, sorry

• Fluorosilicic acid: a water-based solution used by most water fluoridation programs in the United States. Fluorosilicic acid is also referred to as hydrofluorosilicate, FSA, or HFS.
• Sodium fluorosilicate: a dry additive, dissolved into a solution before being added to water.
• Sodium fluoride: a dry additive, typically used in small water systems, dissolved into a solution before being added to water.

 

[longbow]

This is the safety sheet information on dihydrogen hexaflorosilicate or hydrofluorosilicate

General

• Synonyms: hydrofluorosilicic acid, hexafluorosilicic acid, fluorosilicic acid, hydrogen hexafluorosilicate, silicofluoric acid
  Molecular formula: H2SiF6
  CAS No: 16961-83-4
  EINECS No: 241-034-8

Physical data

• Appearance: colourless liquid; often supplied as a colourless solution in water
  Melting point:
  Boiling point: 108.5 C (as the pure liquid)
  Vapour density:
  Vapour pressure:
  Density (g cm-3): 1.32
  Flash point:
  Explosion limits:
  Autoignition temperature:
  Water solubility: soluble

Stability

• Stable in aqueous solution.

Toxicology

• Corrosive - causes burns. Harmful by ingestion, inhalation and through skin contact. May be fatal if swallowed. May cause serious eye damage.
  Risk phrases
  (The meaning of any risk phrases which appear in this section is given here.)
  R20 R21 R22 R34 R41.

Transport information

Personal protection

• Safety glasses, adequate ventilation.

• 
  Risk phrases
  Chemical data sheets available in many countries now contain codes for certain "risk phrases", shown as R23, R45 etc. These risk phrase codes have the following meanings:
  • • R1 Explosive when dry.
    • R2 Risk of explosion by shock, friction, fire or other source of ignition.
    • R3 Extreme risk of explosion by shock, friction, fire or other sources of ignition.
    • R4 Forms very sensitive explosive metallic compounds.
    • R5 Heating may cause an explosion.
    • R6 Explosive with or without contact with air.
    • R7 May cause fire.
    • R8 Contact with combustible material may cause fire.
    • R9 Explosive when mixed with combustible material.
    • R10 Flammable.
    • R11 Highly flammable.
    • R12 Extremely flammable.
    • R13 Extremely flammable liquefied gas
    • R14 Reacts violently with water.
    • R15 Contact with water liberates extremely flammable gases.
    • R16 Explosive when mixed with oxidizing substances.
    • R17 Spontaneously flammable in air.
    • R18 In use, may form inflammable/explosive vapour-air mixture.
    • R19 May form explosive peroxides.
    • R20 Harmful by inhalation.
    • R21 Harmful in contact with skin.
    • R22 Harmful if swallowed.
    • R23 Toxic by inhalation.
    • R24 Toxic in contact with skin.
    • R25 Toxic if swallowed.
    • R26 Very toxic by inhalation.
    • R27 Very toxic in contact with skin.
    • R28 Very toxic if swallowed.
    • R29 Contact with water liberates toxic gas.
    • R30 Can become highly flammable in use.
    • R31 Contact with acids liberates toxic gas.
    • R32 Contact with acid liberates very toxic gas.
    • R33 Danger of cumulative effects.
    • R34 Causes burns.
    • R35 Causes severe burns.
    • R36 Irritating to eyes.
    • R37 Irritating to respiratory system.
    • R38 Irritating to skin.
    • R39 Danger of very serious irreversible effects.
    • R40 Limited evidence of a carcinogenic effect.
    • R41 Risk of serious damage to the eyes.
    • R42 May cause sensitization by inhalation.
    • R43 May cause sensitization by skin contact.
    • R44 Risk of explosion if heated under confinement.
    • R45 May cause cancer.
    • R46 May cause heritable genetic damage.
    • R47 May cause birth defects
    • R48 Danger of serious damage to health by prolonged exposure.
    • R49 May cause cancer by inhalation.
    • R50 Very toxic to aquatic organisms.
    • R51 Toxic to aquatic organisms.
    • R52 Harmful to aquatic organisms.
    • R53 May cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment.
    • R54 Toxic to flora.
    • R55 Toxic to fauna.
    • R56 Toxic to soil organisms.
    • R57 Toxic to bees.
    • R58 May cause long-term adverse effects in the environment.
    • R59 Dangerous to the ozone layer.
    • R60 May impair fertility.
    • R61 May cause harm to the unborn child.
    • R62 Risk of impaired fertility.
    • R63 Possible risk of harm to the unborn child.
    • R64 May cause harm to breastfed babies.
    • R65 Harmful: may cause lung damage if swallowed.
    • R66 Repeated exposure may cause skin dryness or cracking.
    • R67 Vapours may cause drowsiness and dizziness.
    • R68 Possible risk of irreversible effects.

 

[longbow]

still more information:

Fluosilicic acid (16961-83-4). Index from Fluoride Action Network Pesticide Project.
ACTIVITY: Wood Preservative and pesticide ---interesting !!!!!!!!!
Structure:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Adverse Effects:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bone
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dermal[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Eye
Gastrointestinal tract[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Regulatory Information
(only comprehensive for the US)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]US EPA Registered: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No for pesticides
Yes as an agent for fluoridating US public drinking water. It is a highly toxic waste product from the phosphate fertilizer industry. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]US EPA PC Code: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]075305[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Old US EPA PC Code: 075303[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Note:
[/FONT]Banned in Austria[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Other Information[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Molecular Formula:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]F6-Si.2H [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Manufacturers:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Chemtech
Dow
Occidental
Farmland Industries
Freeport-McMoran
Gardinier Inc.
IMC Fertilizer
Maxxam
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Nu-West
Pelham Phosphate
Texasgulf
Weaver Fertilizer [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]-- see box below for more information, including production sites[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif].[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Other Names[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Corticotropin[/SIZE][/FONT]
Dihydrogen hexafluorosilicate
FKS
Fluosilicic acid (6CI)
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fluorosilicic acid[/FONT]
Hexafluorosilicic acid
Hexafluorosilicate (2 - ), dihydrogen
Hexafluosilicic acid
Hydrofluorosilicic acid
Hydrofluosilicic acid
Hydrogen hexafluorosilicate
Hydrogen hexafluorosilicic
Hydrosilicofluoric acid
Sand acid
Silicate (2 - ), hexafluoro-, dihydrogen (8CI, 9CI)
Silicic acid (H2SiF6)
Silicofluoric acid
Silicofluoride Silicon hexafluoride dihydride
UN1778 (DOT)[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Of special interest:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]PAN Data[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]October 2001 - [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Toxicological Summary for Sodium Hexafluorosilicate [CASRN 16893-85-9] and Fluorosilicic Acid [CASRN 16961-83-4]. Review of Toxicological Literature. Prepared for Scott Masten, Ph.D., National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. Also available at:
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/Fluorosilicates.NIH.2001.pdf[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]TOXNET profile from Hazardous Substances Data Bank[/FONT] [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The major use of sodium hexafluorosilicate and fluorosilicic acid is as fluoridation agents for drinking water. Both chemicals are also used as a chemical intermediate (raw material) for aluminum trifluoride, cryolite (Na3AlF6), silicon tetrafluoride, and other fluorosilicates and have found applications in commercial laundry. Fluorosilicic acid is used in the tanning of animal hides and skins, in ceramics and glass, in technical paints, in oil well acidizing, in the manufacture of hydrogen fluoride, for the sterilization of equipment (e.g., in brewing and bottling establishments and for copper and brass vehicles), and in electroplating. It is also employed as an impregnating ingredient to preserve wood and harden masonry and for the removal of mold as well as rust and stain in textiles.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
-- Fluorosilicic acid is mainly produced as a byproduct of the manufacture of phosphate fertilizers... In the manufacture of phosphate fertilizer in Central Florida, fluorides and radionuclides
(radium and uranium) are released as toxic pollutants. During the acidulation process, radon gas can be released and carried into the fluorosilicic acid, while polonium can be captured during the
scrubbing process and combined with fluoride.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[SIZE=-1]Ref: Toxicological Summary for Sodium Hexafluorosilicate [CASRN 16893-85-9] and Fluorosilicic Acid [CASRN 16961-83-4]. Review of Toxicological Literature. October 2001. Prepared for Scott Masten, Ph.D. National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
[/SIZE][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/Fluorosilicates.NIH.2001.pdf[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=-1]http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPDF/Fluorosilicates.pdf[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Manufacturers: [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Chemtech Industries, Inc,[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1] Hq, 1655 Des Peres Road, PO Box 31000, St Louis, MO 63131, (314) 966-9900; Fluoride Manufacturing Division;
Production site: East, St Louis, IL 62202 [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Dow Chemical USA, Hq, 2020 Dow Center, Midland, MI 48674, (517) 636-1000; Subsidiary: Essex Chemical Corp, 1401 Broad St, Clifton, NJ 07015, (201) 773-6300; Essex Industrial Chemicals, Inc, subsidiary;
Production site: 100 Thomas Ln, Paulsboro, NJ 08066 [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Farmland Industries, Inc,[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1] Hq, 3315 N Oak Trafficway, PO Box 7305, Kansas City, MO 64116, (816) 459-6000;
Production site: Green Bay, FL 33830[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Freeport-McMoran Resource Partners[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1], Hq, 1615 Poydras, New Orleans, LA 70112, (504) 582-4000; Agrico Chemical Company, PO Box 60031, New Orleans, LA 70160;
Production sites: Bartow, FL 33830; Uncle Sam, LA 70792 [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Gardinier Inc,[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1] Hq, PO Box 3269, Tampa, FL 33601, (813) 677-9111;
Production site: Tampa, FL 33601 [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]IMC Fertilizer Group, Inc[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1], Hq, 2315 Sanders Rd, Northbrook, IL 60062, (312) 564-8600;
Production sites: Americus, GA 31709; Florence, AL 35650; Hartsville, SC 29550 [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Maxxam Group Inc[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1], Hq, 1088 O Wilshire Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90024, (213) 474-6264; Kaiser Tech Limited, Harshaw/Filtrol Partnership, 30100 Chagrin Boulevard, Cleveland, OH 44124;
Production site: 1000 Harvard Avenue, Cleveland, OH 44109 [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Nu-West Industries Inc[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1], Hq, 8400 E Prentice Ave, Suite 1320, Englewood, CO 80111, (303) 721-1396;
Production site: Conda, ID 83230; Nu-South, Pascagoula, MS 39568; Production site: Pascagoula, MS 39567[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Occidental Petroleum Corporation[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1], Hq, 10889 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 1500, Los Angeles, CA 90024, (213) 879-1700; Subsidiary: Occidental Chemical Corp, 5005 LBJ Freeway, Dallas, TX 75244, (214) 404-3800; Agricultural Products Division, 4830 W Kennedy Blvd, Suite 950, Tampa, FL 33609; Feed Products Group;
Production site: Highway 22, Montepelier, IA 52759 [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Pelham Phosphate Co[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1], Hq, West Railroad St, Pelham, GA 31779, (912) 294-2081[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Texasgulf Inc,[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1] Hq, PO Box 30321, Raleigh, NC 27622, (919) 881-2700;
Production site: Aurora, NC 27806[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Weaver Fertilizer Company, Inc[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1], Hq, First Virginia Tower, Norfolk, VA 23510, (804) 622-6591;
Production site: Norfolk, VA 23510 [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Ref: Hazardous Substances Data Bank for FLUOSILICIC ACID CASRN: 16961-83-4. [SIZE=-2]http://www.fluorideaction.org/pesticides/fluosilicic.acid.toxnet.hsd.htm [/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]US Federal Register[/FONT]Date Published DetailsJune 19, 1995[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Technical Amendments for coloration are deleted as they are "no longer registered and not sold for pesticide use." FINAL RULE.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS):[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Name of Product[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Manufacturer / Distributor[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MSDS[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fluorosilicic Acid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pelchem (South Africa)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MSDS[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hydrofluosilicic Acid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Incitec Pivot Limited (Australia) [supplier][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MSDS[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Laundry PackSour - LPS 750 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Americlean Systems, Inc. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MSDS[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rialto Antisale[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Harpo S.p.A. (Italy)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MSDS[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Soft Finish[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hillyard, Inc.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MSDS[/FONT] Fluoride Action Network | Pesticide Project | 315-379-9200 | pesticides@fluoridealert.org

 

[longbow]

if you only knew how they made it......Fluorosilicic acid is mainly produced as a byproduct of the manufacture of phosphate fertilizers

http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/fluorosilicates.nih.2001.pdf - good reading

 

[Yeah]

In related news, plain old water was found to have cut a giant swath through the side of the planet:

And to think you people put that stuff into your bodies! Take diuretics now or perish!

 

[Benny]

Meh, I do worse things to my body than drink a little daily fluoride.

 

[c3d4b2]

While looking at potential hazards we ingest, it would be also be good to look into the hazardous warnings for acetic acid (vinegar), phosphoric acid (found in cola products) and citric acid (found in orange juice and lemonade).

 

[MinuteMan47]

While looking at potential hazards we ingest, it would be also be good to look into the hazardous warnings for acetic acid (vinegar), phosphoric acid (found in cola products) and citric acid (found in orange juice and lemonade).

I believe the point is that YOU CHOSE to ingest those products you describe, well aware of the side affects.

When the .gov puts the fluoride in water, you have NO CHOICE.

After all, it's safe with moderation. JUST DRINK IT!

 

[rambone]

Thanks for the links, longbow.

Pesticide, rat poison, wood preservative. Mmm, mmm, mmm.

Surely we can guzzle tiny amounts of toxic chemicals, every day, for the entire course of our lives, without any consequences! I'll blame all my cancers and diseases on old age (50).

 

[MinuteMan47]

Thanks for the links, longbow.

Pesticide, rat poison, wood preservative. Mmm, mmm, mmm.

Surely we can guzzle tiny amounts of toxic chemicals, every day, for the entire course of our lives, without any consequences! I'll blame all my cancers and diseases on old age (50).

rambone is 50!...

I'm just a pup.

 

[longbow]

17 years ago I told the Indianapolis Water Company to correct a major flaw in the system. The system has a flaw that would allow someone to tamper with the water supply that could contaminate 1/5 of the city water supply.

The flaw was so serious I got the attention of several key players at the utility. They did a cost estimate to correct it, compared to the threat. They said no to my idea. We parted ways after that call.

To date, the flaw is still in the system and someone will someday take advantage of it. I'm not too worried about trace amounts of fluoride..........

 

[rambone]

rambone is 50!...

I'm just a pup.

Haha, actually I didn't mean that was my age. I mean that people think it is normal to have all kinds of diseases just because they are 50 and over.