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[phylodog]

Not all felonies are classified as serious violent felonies. You don't get to pick and choose which words you like when applying the law.

 

[CraigAPS]

Depending on the felony, it may or may not be a violation of state law for the person to own a firearm. Could be that it wasn't a violation of state law in which case we have officers acting to try and assist a person who had lost ownership of a family heirloom firearm. How dare they.

Does that mean that certain felonies do not prohibit a person from possessing a firearm on the state level, while ANY felony prohibits a person from possessing one federally?

The state of Indiana prohibits the possession of any firearm by an individual who is classified as a serious violent felon. ... Therefore, if you knowingly or intentionally possess a firearm, you have committed unlawful possession of a firearm by a serious violent felon.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the answer to my above question may be why Denny and Phylo are disagreeing with your OP. As in your OP, you did say "federal" gun laws in lieu of just "gun laws" or "Indiana gun laws." It seems like you three are kind of discussing different points of different issues.

 

[Route 45]

The state of Indiana prohibits the possession of any firearm by an individual who is classified as a serious violent felon. ... Therefore, if you knowingly or intentionally possess a firearm, you have committed unlawful possession of a firearm by a serious violent felon.

OH I forgot these were city police not State coppers

City police are sometimes more well versed in criminal law than state troopers, since they generally don't spend all day making sure people pay their tax for driving 65 in a 55 zone.
They probably both understand the difference between your standard felon and a serious violent felon, though.

 

[phylodog]

Does that mean that certain felonies do not prohibit a person from possessing a firearm on the state level, while ANY felony prohibits a person from possessing one federally?

Correct

 

[Denny347]

Some would be very surprised to know the under Indiana law, it is not illegal to possess a gun if you are a felon. Only if you are a serious violent felon and there is a list of those in that law.

 

[walt o]

back on point wouldn't the popo have to have record or info as to what the pawnee was convicted of before they tried to give him his gun back.?would you take the chance of returning a firearm to someone that has been denied by the feds? Maybe a fellon can have a firearm but the feds say he can't purchase one ,He gave up possession of the gun and is now trying to buy it back

 

[rugertoter]

So LEO was made aware of this guys history and still went to bat for him. HMOG. We are seriously in trouble.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not a cop, and even I know that a felon cannot legally own a firearm.

 

[phylodog]

back on point wouldn't the popo have to have record or info as to what the pawnee was convicted of before they tried to give him his gun back.?would you take the chance of returning a firearm to someone that has been denied by the feds? Maybe a fellon can have a firearm but the feds say he can't purchase one ,He gave up possession of the gun and is now trying to buy it back

Maybe they did? What info was provided to the officers before they attempted to assist a fellow gun owner? If the officers had the name/DOB/Race/Sex of the guy it usually isn't too difficult to obtain a criminal history.

 

[walt o]

when you call for police help on an unruly customer you don't have D.O.B or what he was convicted of you may say male ,white or other as on the 4473 forum ,not to be racist on your call.
Still believe that the FEDS override the state on gun purchase..
If we get universal back ground checks don't you think that will override the face to face in state party purchase without a background check
Federal law bans possession of firearms for individuals convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor involving domestic violence. Meaning, even if your firearm rights have been restored under Indiana law, federal law may still prohibit your right to purchase or own a gun.Sep 2, 2015

 

[phylodog]

when you call for police help on an unruly customer you don't have D.O.B or what he was convicted of you may say male ,white or other as on the 4473 forum ,not to be racist on your call.
Still believe that the FEDS override the state on gun purchase..
If we get universal back ground checks don't you think that will override the face to face in state party purchase without a background check
Federal law bans possession of firearms for individuals convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor involving domestic violence. Meaning, even if your firearm rights have been restored under Indiana law, federal law may still prohibit your right to purchase or own a gun.Sep 2, 2015

Still does not change the fact that state and local law enforcement officers are neither trained in, nor authorized to enforce, federal law. You can be as outraged about it as you want but it doesn't change that fact. It's pretty common for officers to obtain identification information from individuals when called to assist, I wasn't asking if you had provided that information. Perhaps they obtained it from the person you called on? Nah, couldn't be, then we couldn't ***** about them.

Far be it for me to interfere with someone *****ing about cops though, sorry to have interfered in your rant. Carry on.

 

[walt o]

sounds like one ranter to another, just let it DIE. hard to tell who is the fool

 

[churchmouse]

 

[phylodog]

Lol, ok.

 

[boosteds13cc]

I'm suprised more situations like this don't happen more frequently. Maybe they do happen and people just dont want to talk about it...who knows...Life happens.

 

[WebSnyper]

I'm suprised more situations like this don't happen more frequently. Maybe they do happen and people just dont want to talk about it...who knows...Life happens.

I'd guess most pawn shops have this handled in their pawn contract T&C's...

 

[HoughMade]

...The pawn shop has a lawyer working on what to morally do....

 

[HoughMade]

Yeah, I agree. I'm not a cop, and even I know that a felon cannot legally own a firearm.

Ownership and possession are not the same thing.

 

[shootersix]

ok im quoting the 4473 question 11-c

"have you ever been convicted in any court of a felony?" doesn't ask "serious" or not.

but since the shop i work at doesnt pawn, and i dont know the answer, i'll ask someone who might (if they're reading this) theres a question on the nicsezcheck website, when we get done filling in all the purchasers info(name, age race and so on) the last question is type of firearm, and one question is "prepawn of long gun" does that mean the person pawning the gun fills out a 4473 before they pawn a gun and when the pick it up?

 

[walt o]

no they are required to fill out and get an OK before they get the gun .Just like at a gun store .All FFL licensed persons must have a 4473 filled out by the person redeeming or buying a fire arm, and it must be OK by the feds , or the FFL holder has committed a felony

 

[walt o]

houghmade
No guns for felons. Most of us are familiar with the rule that a convicted felon cannot possess a gun. The federal rule is found in one of the main firearm statutes, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1). ... As a result, DWI convictions do not trigger the federal gun ban.