Hassled by Buffalo Wild Wings for OC at Dupont, Fort Wayne

[ATM]

...One's gun rights end at the front door of private property.

No they don't.

One's rights to be on that private property end there.

 

[IndyBeerman]

The manager didn't handle it poorly, Mk2ja did. I think the manager handled it professionally. And Mk2ja acted like an a##...

Mk2ja, If you think differently then why don't I just come in to your house & proclaim loudly & repeatedly that Christianity is the cause of all the worlds ills & that anybody who follows it should be thrown in the loony bin? I mean, don't I have the right to freedom of religion & free speech, even in YOUR house?

I don't know how I missed this, but that's it. I'm tired of some your crap and calling Mk2ja an A## along with your comment about Christianity (really you was not smart enough to think of something else).

Mk2ja is a fine outstanding, gentleman that I have had on several occasions to meet and in no way shape or form should he be called that.

Congratulations Finity, you're now the second person that has made my ignore list, it's too bad I have to see anything you post that's quoted.

 

[Benny]

No they don't.

One's rights to be on that private property end there.

It's rather unsettling that he's a police officer and doesn't know that.

 

[superjoe76]

Awesome. As a new gun permit holder I figured people would be "uncomfortable" with open carry. I haven't done it yet for this reason. I think I just might!

 

[finity]

I don't know how I missed this, but that's it. I'm tired of some your crap and calling Mk2ja an A## along with your comment about Christianity (really you was not smart enough to think of something else).

Mk2ja is a fine outstanding, gentleman that I have had on several occasions to meet and in no way shape or form should he be called that.

Congratulations Finity, you're now the second person that has made my ignore list, it's too bad I have to see anything you post that's quoted.

No!

Please don't put me on your IGNORE LIST!

I'll change! I'll do anything you want! I'll...I'll...even become a conservative!

YOU are my HERO!

I NEED you to not ignore me! Please, I'm begging you! I don't know how I'll be able to sleep at night knowing I upset you, IndyBeerman, to the point that you put me on your DREADED ignore list!

It hurt when SavageEagle did it.

I almost died inside when Joe Williams did it.

I know others have done it, too, but it hurts so bad to think about it that I can't even remember who they were.

Why? Why!? WHY?!?! Why do I drive away those who mean the most to me? I guess it's true that you hurt the most the ones you love.

I...I guess I'll just have to try to find a way to carry on without you, IB.









Oh, crap! I just realized my sarcasm will be completely lost on him...SINCE HE ADDED ME TO HIS IGNORE LIST!!!


Oh well.

Ce la vie.


I guess I should answer him (just in case somebody decides to quote me )

I'm sure that mk2ja is as you said "a fine outstanding, gentleman". Even fine outstanding gentlemen make mistakes. Heck, even I'VE been known to make a mistake. Once. Or twice. Or...

I've even acted like an "ass" a time or two. It was my personal opinion (along with several others if the reps I have gotten are any indication) that IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE he acted like an "ass". Feel free to disagree.

The funny thing is that mk2ja gave me a positive rep on this thread but YOU chose to ignore me. Hmm... I guess he is as mature as others say he is & is obviously more mature than you (but I still think he acted inappropriately at BWW's ).

Also, as to the Christianity remark:

I picked that subject because I believe from past posts of his & his dad's that he may feel strongly about that subject & I WAS USING IT TO MAKE A POINT. It was nothing personal to any Christian here. You can believe any way you want & I will support your Right to those beliefs 100%.

And lastly, maybe you need to check your grammar before you start making comments about other peoples intelligence.

I'm just sayin'.

 

[Rookie]

I've even acted like an "ass" a time or two.

Kinda like the post above?

 

[Benny]

.

 

[finity]

Kinda like the post above?

Yeah.

Kinda like like that.

That was kind of fun though.

 

[ATM]

Ce la vie.

It's C'est la vie.

 

[Expat]

It's C'est la vie.

C'est vrai, mon ami.

 

[Hooker]

As an absolute newbie to everything having to do with guns, there appears to be a common theme among all staunch opinions when it comes to people's rights. I realize OP had a right to do what he did (and I am totally lost with the whole Big 'R' little 'r' thing so I'm just going to use a little r) but he failed to do the one thing that is required for societies of people to get along.

I like to smoke cigars. There are places that used to allow cigarette smoking, but no cigars. Why? Because the smell bothers people. Did I like it? No, I felt like I was being discriminated against. Did I smoke anyway? No, I respected the rules of the business. I didn't think that telling the manager (if indeed that is who he was ) that it was my right to smoke and he couldn't stop me (not that this was what OP did) was the correct way to make a statement, and the business was not going to change the rule just because a bunch of my friends went in and started smoking cigars one day.

I also recognize that, even in places where I CAN smoke, there also may be people who are bothered by it. So, I often will wait, simply out of consideration, until I can smoke in peace without getting mean stares and idiotic comments. Lighting up anyway doesn't start a converstation between people about my rights, it only makes me look like an inconsiderate person.

Whatever your stance about the smoking ban, it was put in place because there are people who refuse to be considerate of others. Both sides say, "Hey, if you don't like it, go somehere else." Neither is considering the other, it's all about ME, ME, ME, MY RIGHTS, and what I want. Nothing is ever solved this way, and because we can't solve it ourselves, the government makes the law.

There is a time and place for taking a stand and I don't hardly think it is in a BWW at 11PM. Nothing could be gained in doing so and I don't think BWW is going to change its policy just because a bunch of us tell them we aren't going to eat there any more. Refusing to do so is more for our own satisfaction than making some kind of statement.

As a matter of self defense, nothing is lost in covering up your sidearm. As a matter of courtesy I think it should have been done. But that is just me. Perhaps I'm being a bit of a wuss, but I also think that in order to get something, it is best to give something first. The opposition will be much more open to listening when you do.

OP, I think you handled this thread very respectfully and intelligently.
Finity - I also appreciate your input as both sides gave valid and important opinions.

 

[ATM]

^ What if a manager came up during your meal and said that you couldn't even have your cigars on you?

That's not nearly the same as smoking one (as if the OP were shooting up the place).

Just having your cigars. Think about it.

 

[bassplayrguy]

As an absolute newbie to everything having to do with guns, there appears to be a common theme among all staunch opinions when it comes to people's rights. I realize OP had a right to do what he did (and I am totally lost with the whole Big 'R' little 'r' thing so I'm just going to use a little r) but he failed to do the one thing that is required for societies of people to get along.

I like to smoke cigars. There are places that used to allow cigarette smoking, but no cigars. Why? Because the smell bothers people. Did I like it? No, I felt like I was being discriminated against. Did I smoke anyway? No, I respected the rules of the business. I didn't think that telling the manager (if indeed that is who he was ) that it was my right to smoke and he couldn't stop me (not that this was what OP did) was the correct way to make a statement, and the business was not going to change the rule just because a bunch of my friends went in and started smoking cigars one day.

I also recognize that, even in places where I CAN smoke, there also may be people who are bothered by it. So, I often will wait, simply out of consideration, until I can smoke in peace without getting mean stares and idiotic comments. Lighting up anyway doesn't start a converstation between people about my rights, it only makes me look like an inconsiderate person.

Whatever your stance about the smoking ban, it was put in place because there are people who refuse to be considerate of others. Both sides say, "Hey, if you don't like it, go somehere else." Neither is considering the other, it's all about ME, ME, ME, MY RIGHTS, and what I want. Nothing is ever solved this way, and because we can't solve it ourselves, the government makes the law.

There is a time and place for taking a stand and I don't hardly think it is in a BWW at 11PM. Nothing could be gained in doing so and I don't think BWW is going to change its policy just because a bunch of us tell them we aren't going to eat there any more. Refusing to do so is more for our own satisfaction than making some kind of statement.

As a matter of self defense, nothing is lost in covering up your sidearm. As a matter of courtesy I think it should have been done. But that is just me. Perhaps I'm being a bit of a wuss, but I also think that in order to get something, it is best to give something first. The opposition will be much more open to listening when you do.

OP, I think you handled this thread very respectfully and intelligently.
Finity - I also appreciate your input as both sides gave valid and important opinions.

This is apples and oranges. First off, having a gun has never been shown to have an ill affect on someone else's health. Only using one. If you are going to ban someone having something on them because someone is uncomfy "seeing" it then do I have the right to tell the manager I am uncomfy because I see something i don't like on your tshirt or because I "see" you have cigars???? If you are offended because I have something that is not affecting you then you have the right not to look at it. I have the right to carry and will do so with or without you being comfy with it.

 

[bassplayrguy]

As far as respecting the rules goes. BW3 has no signs posted at all of their places so this was a case of the manager making his own rule to satisfy another patron.

 

[Gareth]

I'm sure the anti-gun twit who complained to the manager about being "alarmed" by the mere sight of the handgun exposed on the OPs person was enjoying every second of the tense scene they created between the OP and the manager. These troublemakers always do. They thrive on creating a contentious atmosphere by attempting to inflict their feelings on others who don't meet with their personal approval in some way, such as being armed, for example. No doubt they would have been titillated to the height of an orgasmic experience if the police had arrived to escort the OP out of the establishment.

 

[Hooker]

I realize that there is really no good analogy to make here. My point was simply that making a statement should be done strategically and with the right audience. Making a point to 2nd shift franchise manager making $12/hr isn't going to get you far.

If your right to OC is really that important to you, wouldn't you think it a better approach to make a phone call to the corporate office and try to get a meeting with someone who can actually change something, simply to have an adult, respectful dialogue?

"Hello sir, I know you are a busy man so I'll make this brief. I was hoping that you would have a brief meeting with me sometime in the near future about the rules in effect regarding firearms in your restaurants."

Seems to me this approach would be much more effective than the "Let's have an OC party at BWW!"

 

[bassplayrguy]

If this was an actual rule you may have a point, but not all BW3s have a rule about this. If this is just a manager being an ass he did the right thing.

 

[Hooker]

I'm pretty sure someone posted earlier than it was indeed a corporate rule and that some fracnhises simply don't enforce it.

 

[sloughfoot]

^ What if a manager came up during your meal and said that you couldn't even have your cigars on you?

That's not nearly the same as smoking one (as if the OP were shooting up the place).

Just having your cigars. Think about it.

The OP was not asked to disarm, he was just asked to simply cover the hangun. At least, that is how I read it....

 

[ATM]

The OP was not asked to disarm, he was just asked to simply cover the hangun. At least, that is how I read it....

He was first asked to cover, then asked to put it out in his car.

My point is not that covering cigars or guns, or putting them out in the car would be difficult - only that they are ridiculous requests.

A request to stop smoking or shooting strike me as more reasonable requests.

To respond with, "no thanks but I will leave if you want me to" might just make them consider that their request was somehow unreasonable.

Or it might not.