Help me understand the distain for Donald Trump.

[Ingomike]

Run a business? From what I know, he is the only president to have multiple bankruptcies. So I doubt he is much of a business man. Cater was a farmer and never went bankrupt.

Actually and sadly simultaneously, bankruptcy is good business in the business world our illustrious political types have built. Think of it this way, the business is a race car, you run that car wide open to win until she blows, and she will. Then bankruptcy is picking up the pieces to rebuild and start again.

Merry Christmas lefty…

 

[Flash-hider]

Run a business? From what I know, he is the only president to have multiple bankruptcies. So I doubt he is much of a business man. Cater was a farmer and never went bankrupt.

He so loved the farmers in this country, he imposed a grain embargo on the Soviet Union when they invaded Afghanistan. He so loved the farmers when their tractorcade showed up in D.C. he turned loose the police on them. Carter caused a lot of farmers to go bankrupt and lose their farms, but I guess it is more important he didn't go belly up.

 

[Ingomike]

He so loved the farmers in this country, he imposed a grain embargo on the Soviet Union when they invaded Afghanistan. He so loved the farmers when their tractorcade showed up in D.C. he turned loose the police on them. Carter caused a lot of farmers to go bankrupt and lose their farms, but I guess it is more important he didn't go belly up.

Sorry I can’t like this way more…

 

[BugI02]

Actually and sadly simultaneously, bankruptcy is good business in the business world our illustrious political types have built. Think of it this way, the business is a race car, you run that car wide open to win until she blows, and she will. Then bankruptcy is picking up the pieces to rebuild and start again.

Merry Christmas lefty…

This is naive. Business bankruptcy is to encourage risk-taking and entrepreneurship by making it possible to limit the damage from failure so as not to wipe out one's personal fortune

People seem to forget that Amazon went bankrupt early but Bezos didn't have to go down with that ship and was able to turn the enterprise around

Musk has come close to bankruptcy and isn't necessarily out of the woods yet. Everyone involved in an LLC is essentially seeking similar protection - to limit their personal risk from taking part in a group enterprise. If you ever watched any of the series 'The Men Who Built America' you should know many household family names had bankruptcies in their resumes. Few people would risk everything on a speculative venture, but speculative ventures are good for the economy because more than half of all employment is with small companies

Not saying it can't be abused or that laws couldn't be improved

 

[Libertarian01]

I believe that some of the problem today is that people, especially reporters, expect that when a president says something that is official government policy. It shouldn't be. Presidents ought to be able to have a public conversation without all of their spoken words being considered official policy, but it is. This has been born out over many decades of presidents speaking very carefully and choosing their words specifically so that what they say is either in line with current policy or with desired policy. President Trump didn't do that.

But beyond that he lied about almost everything. Either that or he exaggerated to the point of it being a lie. And it wasn't just lying about something important - it was anything and everything. He said he had the largest inaugural crowd ever. He didn't. Obama 2009 did with about 1.8 million. There was no reason in the universe to push this exaggeration. He could have just said he was happy to see the hundreds of thousands of supporters and guests who showed up. But he didn't.

He said he was going to drain the swamp. I sure don't see that one from here... I wish he would have but he didn't even try. By draining the swamp I would generally interpret that as reducing the size of government by eliminating programs or greatly reducing them in size by reducing their budgets. He didn't push that as I recall, well... anywhere.

He appeared to be generally narcissistic and self aggrandizing. I am certain every politician is that way to some degree but he was so over the top he practically broke free of gravity.

I'm not going to deny that he did some good things. I loved his treatment of China. I believe he should have gone farther, much farther. I agree with controlling illegal immigration but his fixation on a wall was ridiculous.

I despised Clinton. I did get some joy at watch the left go nuts. But that doesn't mean I didn't also cringe every time Trump said something stupid.

He is also tremendously polarizing. If you agree with him - great! Everything he says will ring true. But if someone disagree with him not only will he be caustic but he'll rub it in over and over. That isn't how anyone should try to run a nation. There should always be a degree of decorum and generosity with those who disagree and those in the middle.

Who knows? Maybe 2024 will be his comeback year...?

Regards and Merry Christmas,

Doug

 

[BugI02]

Now do Ron Paul or Gary Johnson or Jo Jorgensen and all that they accomplished contrasted with what they promised

We'll never know what Trump could have done with the co-operation of his own party and/or without the fabricated collusion scandal as well as the active resistance of gov't officials that ostensibly worked for him and were supposed to carry out his vision

Embroiling him in the collusion narrative even before he was sworn in severely reduced his room to move on firing fifth columnists and traitors

 

[CallSign Snafu]

Trump was mostly just a useful idiot. He was useful in the sense that he was not Hilary Clinton, he nominated decent Supreme Court justices, and he dialed back regulations some. He is an idiot when it comes to tariffs and in filling important campaign and cabinet positions with people who often turn out to be criminals who are tax cheats or have a penchant for wire fraud. A lot of his discourse is boorish and cringe worthy and just lent ammunition to the incessantly intolerable main stream media which I don't watch often, but have to hear second hand when I go out in public from the zombies who do.
Trump sucks and his tactics lose the republicans their often steady votes in the suburbs of many cities. Or in another stroke of genius he convinced large swathes of Georgia republican voters to not show up to the poles and Raphael Warnock winds up winning a Senate seat.
For these reasons and more I am a person who is not anywhere on the left half of the political spectrum and think that Trump was occasionally useful/amusing, but is really just kind of lousy. I also don't understand all the people who attach religious value to the man. The dude steps out on his wife to bang half wit porn stars among other things.

 

[BugI02]

Trump sucks and his tactics lose the republicans their often steady votes in the suburbs of many cities.

Most votes for re-election of any sitting president ever. Best performance with minorities in quite a long time

Since the suburbs are now infested with voters inimical to what is good for anyone but themselves, I think it was a fair trade. Hopefully those suburban voters are getting a bellyful of what they voted for. They don't seem to like it when the 'anti-racist' racists start teaching their kids that they're also irredeemable

 

[ancjr]

How many lieing presidents do you have to jump over before you get to Trump?

 

[BugI02]

All of them except possibly the first one

 

[daddyusmaximus]

The short answer is he wasn't bought and paid for. I don't care if you're a democrat or republican or in between, if you want to play the game in DC you have to play by their rules and he didn't. Now I'm all for shaking up the status quo from time to time but I'm not sure the end result of Trump's term put us on a better heading. Not necessarily his fault but again he wasn't presidential material and many of us wouldn't have minded his antics if he'd just play the role a little better for the sake of optics in front of the rest of the world. I don't think his policies ever offended the GOP though, just that they didn't have their hooks in him before he ascended to the office. I've long said that's why Pence was VP - Trump didn't choose him, the party did or else they were going to challenge his ironclad nomination. They were hedging their bets that Trump would be impeached or assassinated and good old reliable party puppet Pence would have enjoyed party loyalty Trump was never afforded.

^^^ This right here. At least, that's my way of thinking.

A lot of people liked President Trump right off, therefore a lot of other people hated him right off.
However, it was the simple fact of him being too independent, and uncontrollable that made him dangerous.

As far as I can tell, President Trump has a strong personality that doesn't take well to being told "no" or when he has to toe the line on something that goes against his principals.
In addition, he started off his candidacy by being extremely independently wealthy. So much so, that there was no enticement they could dangle in front of him to change his mind on things.
Sticks didn't work, and neither did carrots.

Simply stated... without the establishment being able to get their hooks into him, he had nothing going for him... other then the support of the American working class people, and that just wasn't gonna be allowed to stand.
For a wealthy real-estate tycoon, he understood the average American on the street, and that put the stranglehold the power elites had on the nation at risk.
Ergo, the huge target on his back.

 

[daddyusmaximus]

This is naive. Business bankruptcy is to encourage risk-taking and entrepreneurship by making it possible to limit the damage from failure so as not to wipe out one's personal fortune

People seem to forget that Amazon went bankrupt early but Bezos didn't have to go down with that ship and was able to turn the enterprise around

Musk has come close to bankruptcy and isn't necessarily out of the woods yet. Everyone involved in an LLC is essentially seeking similar protection - to limit their personal risk from taking part in a group enterprise. If you ever watched any of the series 'The Men Who Built America' you should know many household family names had bankruptcies in their resumes. Few people would risk everything on a speculative venture, but speculative ventures are good for the economy because more than half of all employment is with small companies

Not saying it can't be abused or that laws couldn't be improved

I keep hearing this "bankruptcy" thing creep up, and you are BOTH right.

However, what YOU fail to understand is that the point you just made, is exactly what others are trying to tell people like you.

YES, bankruptcy can be, and often is abused by business owners. It was designed that way by leftist lawmakers so that people wouldn't have to be responsible for taking bad risks to get ahead. It works too, because one can apply these laws to make money, then get out of the debt they racked up while doing so. President Trump (prior to becoming the President) was a businessman. SO... it's only natural he would take every advantage of the stupid laws passed by the nation he lives in right?

Hell, I WOULD.

The thing is, even though he was making money hand over fist... (under a system he DID NOT create) he was still smart enough to know there was a lot wrong with the system.

Once he was elected to fix this broken mess... he was blocked in every way possible.

You CANNOT compare what he did as a civilian businessman, (under laws he did not create) to what he TRIED to do as the President.

 

[KG1]

How many lieing presidents do you have to jump over before you get to Trump?

How many lying snakes in the Democrat party tried to take him down? DC is a pit of fork tongue devils.

 

[phylodog]

I believe that some of the problem today is that people, especially reporters, expect that when a president says something that is official government policy. It shouldn't be.

That began when the left's lord & savior Obama got elected. Every word he spoke was gospel, every action immaculate. Once the media decided to kiss that frog he became a king instead of just a prince.

 

[Libertarian01]

That began when the left's lord & savior Obama got elected. Every word he spoke was gospel, every action immaculate. Once the media decided to kiss that frog he became a king instead of just a prince.

I will agree that the media hung on Obama's every word, but I will stick to my main premise that for several decades before Obama people and the media took what the president said as current or desired policy.

Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon at least had the general belief that if they said it, the government was going to do it - or was moving in the direction to do it. This is a problem. A president is just a person, and not everything they say should be thought of as new government policy.

Again, I look at how very uncontroversial most politicians are - Trump not included. Most of them may say things we agree or very strongly disagree with, but they don't say too much that is not carefully chosen.

Your point brings up a larger topic to me, that being the media's general lack of aggressiveness to challenge elected officials. They started calling out Trump every time he said something that was blatantly wrong. I'm fine with this. Heck, I support this. My problem is their cherry-picking of how strongly they go after generally liberal candidates. They don't. They will now do the least required amount to "appear" neutral, but if Biden or Harris or AOC says something completely off the rails they don't hammer as hard or ferociously as they would Trump. They all, conservative and liberal and moderate, need to have their feet held to the fire as much as possible by the media. This isn't happening and it's failure is undermining our faith and trust to a level that may become dangerous if the MSM doesn't make every effort to regain trust and respect.

Regards and Merry Christmas,

Doug

 

[Ingomike]

I will agree that the media hung on Obama's every word, but I will stick to my main premise that for several decades before Obama people and the media took what the president said as current or desired policy.

Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon at least had the general belief that if they said it, the government was going to do it - or was moving in the direction to do it. This is a problem. A president is just a person, and not everything they say should be thought of as new government policy.

Again, I look at how very uncontroversial most politicians are - Trump not included. Most of them may say things we agree or very strongly disagree with, but they don't say too much that is not carefully chosen.

Your point brings up a larger topic to me, that being the media's general lack of aggressiveness to challenge elected officials. They started calling out Trump every time he said something. [that was blatantly wrong.] I'm fine with this. Heck, I support this. My problem is their cherry-picking of how strongly they go after generally liberal candidates. They don't. They will now do the least required amount to "appear" neutral, but if Biden or Harris or AOC says something completely off the rails they don't hammer as hard or ferociously as they would Trump. They all, conservative and liberal and moderate, need to have their feet held to the fire as much as possible by the media. This isn't happening and it's failure is undermining our faith and trust to a level that may become dangerous if the MSM doesn't make every effort to regain trust and respect.

Regards and Merry Christmas,

Doug

Fixed it for you. Don’t know how to get strike outs on this phone…

 

[manifest destiny]

Once he was elected to fix this broken mess... he was blocked in every way possible.

And then some...

 

[tim87tr]

^^^ This right here. At least, that's my way of thinking.

A lot of people liked President Trump right off, therefore a lot of other people hated him right off.
However, it was the simple fact of him being too independent, and uncontrollable that made him dangerous.

As far as I can tell, President Trump has a strong personality that doesn't take well to being told "no" or when he has to toe the line on something that goes against his principals.
In addition, he started off his candidacy by being extremely independently wealthy. So much so, that there was no enticement they could dangle in front of him to change his mind on things.
Sticks didn't work, and neither did carrots.

Simply stated... without the establishment being able to get their hooks into him, he had nothing going for him... other then the support of the American working class people, and that just wasn't gonna be allowed to stand.
For a wealthy real-estate tycoon, he understood the average American on the street, and that put the stranglehold the power elites had on the nation at risk.
Ergo, the huge target on his back.

It was good overall that he couldn't be controlled and was not compliant. We all might be in a different place if more people had done this the last couple years. It's appearing to be very rare for politicians as more are being exposed and jumping ship.

I've read various reasons on why he's said or done what appears to be unusual on the surface. Some believe he is dumb, autistic, narcissist or a confidence man. I don't believe he is a swampy deep stater or global elitist. I'd think a lot of his spoken words or linguistics are to effect a change long term. He has his words at his level, not a lot of political support from either side, and appears to use language to guide a desirable, not immediate outcome. This would be something he honed as a businessman and may not always make sense at present.

I think what becomes of the vax will spotlight this as supporters are currently unhappy with his vax support. Ironically he's giving support to something his adversaries promote, which could be a strategy to unravel it. It's just a deep dive to think outside the box.

So many false flags and deception tactics have occurred in an evil way to push people and groups into constant division and bad decisions. Time will tell is Trump is using good vs evil. Remember Bush used to be a good guy after 911, much less so now and seen in a different light as Americans lose even more Constitutional rights.

 

[ancjr]

Watch the Ali G / Trump interview. He is having none of it. He wouldn't sit through the foolishness.

 

[Ingomike]

It was good overall that he couldn't be controlled and was not compliant. We all might be in a different place if more people had done this the last couple years. It's appearing to be very rare for politicians as more are being exposed and jumping ship.

I've read various reasons on why he's said or done what appears to be unusual on the surface. Some believe he is dumb, autistic, narcissist or a confidence man. I don't believe he is a swampy deep stater or global elitist. I'd think a lot of his spoken words or linguistics are to effect a change long term. He has his words at his level, not a lot of political support from either side, and appears to use language to guide a desirable, not immediate outcome. This would be something he honed as a businessman and may not always make sense at present.

I think what becomes of the vax will spotlight this as supporters are currently unhappy with his vax support. Ironically he's giving support to something his adversaries promote, which could be a strategy to unravel it. It's just a deep dive to think outside the box.

So many false flags and deception tactics have occurred in an evil way to push people and groups into constant division and bad decisions. Time will tell is Trump is using good vs evil. Remember Bush used to be a good guy after 911, much less so now and seen in a different light as Americans lose even more Constitutional rights.

People need to go back and see that Trump has always been pro American on trade, since the 80’s for sure. It is not a stichct….