How to stop mass shootings. Master's Degree Capstone

[BigRed]

[STRIKE]With all due respect, since when will an academic come up with a conclusion that does not favor the libtards and the further erosion of the 2nd Amendment? Academics by and large could care less about the 2nd Amendment and given their usual beyond liberal socialist ideas would love to see all gun rights abolished for their "heads in the sand" vision of socialist utopia. Remember Stalin, Hitler and the rest of their ilk who disarmed their populations.[/STRIKE] Pray, people pray that these types of idiots do not come into power in the USA; otherwise we are all screwed. Peace.

That's when we would discover the estimated three percent who truly understand what the Second Amendment is about.

 

[LCSOSgt11]

I'll be brief. After almost 36 years in Law Enforcement, I would agree with some that it is difficult if not impossible to legislate away "evil". Evil, as it is, is always lurking among us. Criminals will not follow laws, no matter how draconian.

I'll add this.

1. Regarding school massacres, the schools should be "hardened" against unauthorized entry. There are commerical products available to strengthen glass, and devices to be used to fortify doors against forcible entry. With that said, murderers should not be physically able to enter schools in the first place. With that said, everything in today's modern world is about limiting liability. There is no such thing.

2. Mental Illness. The days of committing mentally deranged folks are apparently long gone. Thanks again to politicians, who just love to cut funding, the mentally unstable are released into society and medicated. This may be effective, however, when these folks quit taking their medications, they go off the "deep end." There has been some rhetoric about having Law Enforcement monitor the mentally unstable. We in the profession are not mental health experts.

3. AR-15's. Liberals, politicians, and other frightened folks seem to think that these and other weapons just jump off shelves to maraud about and murder indiscriminately. Hogwash. The person wielding the weapon, no matter what it is, is solely and completely responsible for its use or misuse. Politicians and "activists" forget or never learned the concepts of responsibility and accountability. An AR-15 is a semiautomatic rifle only. It is not an "assault" or "assault type" weapon. "Assault" weapons by many definitions are capable of semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. Politicians and cowards do not know the difference.

4. I would postulate that we as a society, are ignoring our kids. Cell phones, violent video games, texting, snapchatting, instagramming, ad nauseaum may be in part responsible for the decline in communication between members of families. Before electronic conveniences, we actually had to talk with one another. No longer. The Xbox is our new electronic babysitter. Iphones are electronic leashes, and parents just about come apart at the seams when Junior or Sissy fail to come home on time, and then do not answer their cell phones. When that happens, who gets called? The police. This goes hand in hand with parental and self-discipline. Parents are afraid to enforce discipline for fear of arrest, and subsequently, kids do not learn self discipline. Furthermore, I would also submit that children now instead of being raised when they are in the high chair, parents try to raise them when they are in high school. By that time, "raising" is a wee bit too late. Again, responsibility and accountability are absent.

5. We are raising cowards. Period. Nothing is anyone's responsibility, someone else will show up to solve the problem.

6. Blame, as it is, is like warm butter. It can be spread thick, it can be spread thin, and it can be spread all around.

 

[Daredevil0911]

Just so you know, I am not an "Academic". Yes, I am getting a Master's Degree in Criminal Law and hope to teach Criminal Justice as a college professor, but...I have been in Law Enforcement with my County Sheriff for 16 years and the rest in private investigations and security, and now work for the State of Indiana in a different capacity. I was a Senior Instructor in Firearms, Defensive Tactics, EVOC and pretty much everything else and a Master Taser Instructor. I own numerous firearms, so many my wife doesn't know how many I have, Including several AR's and an AK. I am an avid hunter and compete in 3-Gun and IDPA. I DO NOT condone the repealing of the 2nd Amendment, a Lifetime NRA member, and am an avid supporter of not only the 2nd Amendment, but the entire Constitution. I do not support gun Control in any form other than obtaining training and fully believe that current laws should be enforced and not make new ones to make a bunch of liberals and crying kids happy.

My paper is not directed at furthering gun control or in support of any liberal agenda. I am simply doing a paper on this topic because of my interest in the subject and to get an unbiased opinion on what should or even could be done to prevent the next mass shooting. I'm tired of honest, legal gun owners getting the bad rap just like the rest of you.

 

[Daredevil0911]

 

[throttletony]

I've only read the 1st page thus far.
Good ideas, and it's clear that there's not just one quick fix. At the end of the day, it's a balancing act between the benefits and risks associated with our guaranteed rights. The rights don't need to be absolute, but at the same time most modern legislation seems to preemptively diminish the 2nd amendment. For comparison, you can't gag someone just because you think they might say something inappropriate/a call to action like "fire"/or slander.

I'll refer you to Shapiro's Youtube video of his speech in Nebraska, the day after his speech at CPAC. Both are worth watching and easy to find on Youtube. Also, before the Dickey act was passed, the CDC started collecting info on how many times guns are used to save lives (John Lott also analyzes this), and with the most conservative estimates it is still 10x more beneficial than harmful -- though the homicides, suicides, and accidents are still a tragedy REGARDLESS of number!

I'll admit (and maybe others will too), that I would like to live in a world where we didn't need guns - or anything - for self defense. But, that utopia doesn't exist (and never will exist, even if all firearms disappeared overnight) "Utopian rhetoric/utopian fallacy" plays on our desire to live in a perfect world, not the actual possibility of it. Also, if guns didn't exist, there would still be violence with knives, sticks, rocks, hammers, etc.

I think the reduction/elimination of gun free zones would help - since criminals by definition break the law, the chance of having someone that can meet force with force has potential to dissuade.

Armed guards would also help. I don't understand why some people think that this will make students "feel like they're in a prison." Banks, stores, some gas stations have armed guards, and we seem to not be emotionally damaged from seeing guards in those places. Having 1-2 full-time guards at a large school would be another way to dissuade school shootings (and perhaps violence overall in these places)

I'll post more when I get a chance...

 

[solarpimp]

I am concerned about the following and will post with bullet points:

- I am alarmed that our constitution says what it says, but that the general consensus is that 2A rights are regional. They do not apply in schools(pick one), at airports(Ft. Lauderdale), in churches (Sutherland Springs TX, Charleston, SC etc), in post offices (pick one usually involving a disgruntled employee), many government facilities (Ft. Hood), in movie theaters (Aurora, CO) and many, many businesses. If you look back, each of these places has a shooting or mass shooting associated with it and many are recent. "Gun Free Zones" have also been "Criminally Opportunistic Zones" in regards to gun violence.

- Many businesses post on their doors that firearms are not allowed. What if they posted that "Free Speech" wasn't allowed within the confines of a business. Would not allowing First Amendment Rights within the confines of your business be met with the same lack of scrutiny that not allowing Second Amendment Rights is met with? How can one's right to a wedding cake supersede one's Constitutional Rights?

- Can it not be argued that the families of victims and victims of school shootings themselves have a legal argument that their lives were lost (or the life of a loved one was lost) and many other lives were jeopardized due to the Second Amendment Rights of those present being infringed upon? Not just by taking away the abilities of those present to protect themselves, but by not creating a place that criminals don't want to go and instead, advertising a place that criminal resistance will be almost non-existent. Criminals don't often hone their craft at skeet shooting clubs, police stations or shooting ranges.

I could go on but this will do for now. Thanks for reading.

 

[DRob]

I would submit for your consideration the writings of Lt. Dave Grossman U.S. Army (Ret).

 

[JLJK]

I received this email the other day and I think it’s a good place to start to curb mass school shootings.

Hope in finding God again

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.

My confession: (Ben Stein)

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians.

I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period.

I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country.

I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat...

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from
that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him?

I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.

But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different:
·
This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
·
In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc..
·
I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she
didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.
·
Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says:

thou shalt not kill;

thou shalt not steal, and

Love your neighbor as yourself.



And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities
would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide).

We said an expert should know what he's talking about.
·
And we said okay.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it
doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE
REAP WHAT WE SOW.'
·
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.
·
Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.
·
Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire,

But when you start sending messages regarding God, people think twice about sharing.
·
Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is
suppressed in the school and workplace.


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[EPeter213]

I received this email the other day and I think it’s a good place to start to curb mass school shootings.

Hope in finding God again

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.

My confession: (Ben Stein)

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians.

I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period.

I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country.

I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat...

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from
that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him?

I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.

But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different:
·
This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
·
In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc..
·
I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she
didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.
·
Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says:

thou shalt not kill;

thou shalt not steal, and

Love your neighbor as yourself.



And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities
would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide).

We said an expert should know what he's talking about.
·
And we said okay.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it
doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE
REAP WHAT WE SOW.'
·
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.
·
Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.
·
Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire,

But when you start sending messages regarding God, people think twice about sharing.
·
Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is
suppressed in the school and workplace.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

^^^^^^^^^^^^This.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'll be brief. After almost 36 years in Law Enforcement, I would agree with some that it is difficult if not impossible to legislate away "evil". Evil, as it is, is always lurking among us. Criminals will not follow laws, no matter how draconian.

I'll add this.

1. Regarding school massacres, the schools should be "hardened" against unauthorized entry. There are commerical products available to strengthen glass, and devices to be used to fortify doors against forcible entry. With that said, murderers should not be physically able to enter schools in the first place. With that said, everything in today's modern world is about limiting liability. There is no such thing.

2. Mental Illness. The days of committing mentally deranged folks are apparently long gone. Thanks again to politicians, who just love to cut funding, the mentally unstable are released into society and medicated. This may be effective, however, when these folks quit taking their medications, they go off the "deep end." There has been some rhetoric about having Law Enforcement monitor the mentally unstable. We in the profession are not mental health experts.

3. AR-15's. Liberals, politicians, and other frightened folks seem to think that these and other weapons just jump off shelves to maraud about and murder indiscriminately. Hogwash. The person wielding the weapon, no matter what it is, is solely and completely responsible for its use or misuse. Politicians and "activists" forget or never learned the concepts of responsibility and accountability. An AR-15 is a semiautomatic rifle only. It is not an "assault" or "assault type" weapon. "Assault" weapons by many definitions are capable of semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. Politicians and cowards do not know the difference.

4. I would postulate that we as a society, are ignoring our kids. Cell phones, violent video games, texting, snapchatting, instagramming, ad nauseaum may be in part responsible for the decline in communication between members of families. Before electronic conveniences, we actually had to talk with one another. No longer. The Xbox is our new electronic babysitter. Iphones are electronic leashes, and parents just about come apart at the seams when Junior or Sissy fail to come home on time, and then do not answer their cell phones. When that happens, who gets called? The police. This goes hand in hand with parental and self-discipline. Parents are afraid to enforce discipline for fear of arrest, and subsequently, kids do not learn self discipline. Furthermore, I would also submit that children now instead of being raised when they are in the high chair, parents try to raise them when they are in high school. By that time, "raising" is a wee bit too late. Again, responsibility and accountability are absent.

5. We are raising cowards. Period. Nothing is anyone's responsibility, someone else will show up to solve the problem.

6. Blame, as it is, is like warm butter. It can be spread thick, it can be spread thin, and it can be spread all around.

This! Fixing this problem would probably go a long way to reducing this problem.

 

[phylodog]

You don’t need to arm teachers, simply lift the prohibitions which are in place and institute reasonable safety measures concerning storage and carrrying while at the school.

We cannot stop mass shootings but if you want to slow them down, extinguish the liberal ideology from our society. No one is special, no one is deserving of special treatment, no one cares who consenting adults sleep with and the decision on which bathroom one should use is decided at birth. Start rewarding responsibility and stop worshiping “victims”.

The bonus is that you’ll solve one hell of a lot of the other problems in this country full of spoiled brats.

 

[Kutnupe14]

You don’t need to arm teachers, simply lift the prohibitions which are in place and institute reasonable safety measures concerning storage and carrrying while at the school.

We cannot stop mass shootings but if you want to slow them down, extinguish the liberal ideology from our society. No one is special, no one is deserving of special treatment, no one cares who consenting adults sleep with and the decision on which bathroom one should use is decided at birth. Start rewarding responsibility and stop worshiping “victims”.

The bonus is that you’ll solve one hell of a lot of the other problems in this country full of spoiled brats.

The only way I'd agree with this, is if attending school wasn't mandatory.

 

[phylodog]

The alternative being making carrying a gun a requirement of the job?

 

[Kutnupe14]

The alternative being making carrying a gun a requirement of the job?

I'd rather it be a requirement than a free for all... "free for all," meaning lacking oversight.

 

[phylodog]

I’m not opposed to qualification requirements I just don’t think we need a(nother) federal program. Doesn’t need to be a huge ordeal. Carry or don’t and if you carry, do it responsibly.

 

[Trigger Time]

The only way to stop evil on a rampage is to kill it before it kills you. Shoot the bad guy in the face, chest or any visible part and repeat until they no longer move to shoot you or anyone else.

Yes I absolutely believe we should allow teachers to be armed at school if they wish to be.
Veterans and off duty or retired cops are also a great idea and shoulf be used if they pass a regular weapons qualification and use of force training class. This is the ONLY way it will ever happen because of peoples fear of guns. I will volunteer my time for free in order to help protect our kids. I will jump through any hoops they want me to.
Active duty Leo's also a big yes and I believe they need to be the best of the best of our Leo's and they should be handpicked for being the best and not picked for school duty as a retirement. Pay them a bonus.
We must put proper measures in place to keep people out of schools who wish to do harm to our kids. Locked doors. One entrance from the outside only and make it monitored and control access. Shatter resistant glass on the first floor with the ability to open windows from the inside incase of emergency egress. Put photos on file of all authorized parents. If you send someone to pick up your child and you didn't pre qualify them by putting them on the list and photo then too bad.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I’m not opposed to qualification requirements I just don’t think we need a(nother) federal program. Doesn’t need to be a huge ordeal. Carry or don’t and if you carry, do it responsibly.

I'd want a little more than a qualification requirement. I'd want a fairly thorough background check to know exactly who is armed around my child, and whether or not their own biases might pose a risk to my children.

 

[OakRiver]

This is also a good opinion piece; http://monsterhunternation.com/2015/06/23/an-opinion-on-gun-control-repost/

It does contain strong opinions and salty language.

 

[phylodog]

I'd want a little more than a qualification requirement. I'd want a fairly thorough background check to know exactly who is armed around my child, and whether or not their own biases might pose a risk to my children.

Don’t sweat it, it’ll never happen. You have your requirements as do millions of others which will prevent it from ever happening. This country proves time and again that it can’t get out of its own way.

 

[Trigger Time]

You already have to have a background check done by the police to even volunteer as a parent at my kids school. I think the background check part would be a given.
I agree with phylo above