IL House Passes House Carry Bill 85-30-1

[jgreiner]

Ill. Senate plans modified gun-carry legislation - Wandtv.com, NewsCenter17, StormCenter17, Central Illinois News-

here is a news article that talks about the senate mods.

1) it removes the per-emption that the House bill passed.
2) it changes to carry is banned in any business that serves alcohol (house bill says revenue has to be over 50% from alcohol sales)

that should kill it from passing the house. Good news.

 

[melensdad]

Pray that they fail to pass anything. Then IL reverts to constitutional carry.

WRONG!

If they revert to 'Constitutional carry' without any other laws then it would allow EACH city to pass its own carry law restrictions (think of May Issue, Gun Free Zones, etc) and all of that would be legal for cities to limit since the state does not have preemption and does have home rule!!!

 

[Westside]

WRONG!

If they revert to 'Constitutional carry' without any other laws then it would allow EACH city to pass its own carry law restrictions (think of May Issue, Gun Free Zones, etc) and all of that would be legal for cities to limit since the state does not have preemption and does have home rule!!!

THIS^^^^^ Times 10000

People complain about a patchwork of laws going state to state...Imagine it town to town/county to county!!!

 

[MikeDVB]

With Chicago being in Illinois I really do not expect any law to pass that will be state-wide preemption. I could see them writing an exception in for Chicago and letting it pass but not state-wide 100%.

 

[Movealongmovealong]

Let them continue to squabble and procrastinate. If they pass nothing, all's the better.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

Imagine trying to stay legal with over 200 local laws and ordinances statewide.

Oh yeah, we did that until it got fixed in 2011.

This spider web will be making criminals out of the law-abiding right and left.

I'm amazed they left non-res intact.

 

[red_zr24x4]

In all seriousness, even if they allow firearm carry in IL...I'm willing to bet LEO's in IL will harass everybody into not carrying.

I work construction in Chicago and deal with the LEO's there almost daily, everyone I've talked to in the last week or so is all for people carrying guns.
Heck last year I had one advise me to carry then because of the area we were working in.

 

[mrortega]

WRONG!

If they revert to 'Constitutional carry' without any other laws then it would allow EACH city to pass its own carry law restrictions (think of May Issue, Gun Free Zones, etc) and all of that would be legal for cities to limit since the state does not have preemption and does have home rule!!!

That can only go so far. Remember the appelate court ruled that denying the right to carry violated the state and federal constitutions. It order the state to come up with a law to allow citizens to carry. If any town or county goes so far as to deny the right to carry outside the home or business they are in violation of the court order.

 

[jedi]

Ill. Senate plans modified gun-carry legislation - Wandtv.com, NewsCenter17, StormCenter17, Central Illinois News-

here is a news article that talks about the senate mods.

1) it removes the per-emption that the House bill passed.
2) it changes to carry is banned in any business that serves alcohol (house bill says revenue has to be over 50% from alcohol sales)

My faith in the universe is restored and the control that S***cago has appears to be back at work.

WRONG!

If they revert to 'Constitutional carry' without any other laws then it would allow EACH city to pass its own carry law restrictions (think of May Issue, Gun Free Zones, etc) and all of that would be legal for cities to limit since the state does not have preemption and does have home rule!!!

Let them continue to squabble and procrastinate. If they pass nothing, all's the better.

See the text by melensdad. By them going "green" it will be a mess.

That can only go so far. Remember the appelate court ruled that denying the right to carry violated the state and federal constitutions. It order the state to come up with a law to allow citizens to carry. If any town or county goes so far as to deny the right to carry outside the home or business they are in violation of the court order.

So how would this work?
Lets say IL goes GREEN and Chicago keeps its current ban on weapons.
Then say IL resident John Doe gets arrested in Chicago for CC.
Now what?

 

[KLB]

My faith in the universe is restored and the control that S***cago has appears to be back at work.






See the text by melensdad. By them going "green" it will be a mess.



So how would this work?
Lets say IL goes GREEN and Chicago keeps its current ban on weapons.
Then say IL resident John Doe gets arrested in Chicago for CC.
Now what?

Chicago is not going to keep its ban, it is going to go MAY issue. The cronies of the mayor and police chief get to carry, anyone else will have to know who to bribe and be in good political standing with the machine to be able to.

 

[BravoMike]

Ill. Senate plans modified gun-carry legislation - Wandtv.com, NewsCenter17, StormCenter17, Central Illinois News-

here is a news article that talks about the senate mods.

1) it removes the per-emption that the House bill passed.
2) it changes to carry is banned in any business that serves alcohol (house bill says revenue has to be over 50% from alcohol sales)

My understanding is that it doesn't completely kill preemption, it just restricts preemption only to where you can carry. This would all Chicago to keep their AWB but not be able to add any extra GFZ's. The IL Senate Prez is still selling this as a bill with preemption.

 

[jrm400]

By the time its done it will be very weak. Chicago runs (ruins) the state. Watch and see. Don't be so sure carry after not meeting the June 9 date will be a reality either. These people are in the business of controlling the public and are very good at it. They are not interested in any type of freedom for the public. Look for a last minute maneuver that blows it all out of the water.
Any type of legal carry in Cook County ain't about to happen. Business as usual for the Prarrie State of Chicago....er I mean Illinois.

 

[mrjarrell]

The clock is ticking and time's running out.

Clock ticking on Illinois carry effort - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com

 

[sonny27]

Illinois lawmakers approve concealed carry gun bill - chicagotribune.com

 

[drillsgt]

Chicago is not going to keep its ban, it is going to go MAY issue. The cronies of the mayor and police chief get to carry, anyone else will have to know who to bribe and be in good political standing with the machine to be able to.

This is the way MI was for years. You contributed enough to the Sheriffs election campaign and you got an "unrestricted" permit from the gun board.

 

[BravoMike]

The text of the bill for those who are curious. It is HB183 and not HB2193 as in the bill from the OP, although it is my understanding that they are close.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/98/HB/PDF/09800HB0183sam005.pdf

 

[melensdad]

So how would this work?
Lets say IL goes GREEN and Chicago keeps its current ban on weapons.
Then say IL resident John Doe gets arrested in Chicago for CC.
Now what?

Based on what passed, Chicago gets to keep its Assault Weapon Ban, BUT does not get to restrict magazine capacity so if you are carrying under an Illinois Carry Permit then you can carry your Glock 17 with a 33 round magazine if you choose to do so in the city of Chicago.

This is a SHALL ISSUE law, not a MAY ISSUE law so if you qualify then you will get the license.

There is a fairly long list of GUN FREE ZONES which includes sports stadiums, schools, hospitals, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, places that serve booze (and make 50.1% of their income from booze), etc.

On the bright side, your car is considered a safe haven and you can legally store your gun in your vehicle in most circumstances and not be subjected to search/seizure.

16 Hour training requirement . . . but I believe its only 8 hours for ex-military.

Its not ideal, but its better than I expected.

So downstate IL resident John Doe is not going to get arrested for CC in Chicago as long as he is not in a GFZ.

NO RECIPROCITY . . . but Hoosiers can buy an OUT OF STATE Illinois Carry Permit, renewable every 5 years.

 

[KLB]

Based on what passed, Chicago gets to keep its Assault Weapon Ban, BUT does not get to restrict magazine capacity so if you are carrying under an Illinois Carry Permit then you can carry your Glock 17 with a 33 round magazine if you choose to do so in the city of Chicago.

This is a SHALL ISSUE law, not a MAY ISSUE law so if you qualify then you will get the license.

There is a fairly long list of GUN FREE ZONES which includes sports stadiums, schools, hospitals, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, places that serve booze (and make 50.1% of their income from booze), etc.

On the bright side, your car is considered a safe haven and you can legally store your gun in your vehicle in most circumstances and not be subjected to search/seizure.

16 Hour training requirement . . . but I believe its only 8 hours for ex-military.

Its not ideal, but its better than I expected.

So downstate IL resident John Doe is not going to get arrested for CC in Chicago as long as he is not in a GFZ.

NO RECIPROCITY . . . but Hoosiers can buy an OUT OF STATE Illinois Carry Permit, renewable every 5 years.

Did you see the part where you can carry in a car with a LTCH?

(e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from
6 transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in
7 Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her
8 vehicle and the non-resident:
9 (1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a
10 firearm under federal law;
11 (2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the
12 laws of his or her state or territory of residence; and
13 (3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.
14 If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended,
15 he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or
16 locked container within the vehicle in accordance with
17 subsection (b) of Section 65 of this Act.

 

[melensdad]

Did you see the part where you can carry in a car with a LTCH?

Did you know we can already do that? Its covered under case law.

 

[KLB]

Did you know we can already do that? Its covered under case law.

Loaded and accessible?