Illegal Aliens

[Sylvain]

Guest worker/student status? If your here legally I have no problem with it. And I know some non-citizens that are here legally and I'm friends with them. Heck my wife's bridesmaid husband is a non US citizen and doesn't plan on becomming one. He is one heck of a guy and I have no problem with him being in this country. My aunt and one of my cousins are naturalized citizens, I have no problem with them either.


I'm not sure and if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me, but I thought as long as you were here legally you had the right to keep and bear arms? As long as you have a hunting license/permit that is lawfully issued in the U.S. . Which I don't agree with, our rights belong to us no matter what country were from, we are born with them. They need no piece of paper granting them to us.

Glad you think like that, some posts can make you feel unwelcome in a country that you love.

If you are not a permanent residant or a US citizen you cant buy a gun in a gun store.
I know I tried and I couldnt.Not where I tried anyway.
You cant get a LTCH and carry a gun either if you are not permanent residant or a US citizen last time I checked with the ISP.
But nothing keeps you from owning a gun legally if you get it as a gift from someone who could legally buy it as long as you keep it in your house.
I guess its just like with people under 21 who cant buy a handgun but they can still own it and carry it with a LTCH when they are over 18.
Which I always thought it was strange.

 

[Kutnupe14]

There isn't much (if anything)I wouldn't do to feed my family. But a lot of illegals in my experience don't come here to feed their families. They come here to work, make a chunk of change and then retire in 10 years in their home country.

And I agree with going after the employers. But I don't necessarily agree with jail/prison time. Just very hefty fines. The reason for that is who do you jail? The person that hired them? The owner of the company? The head of HR?

I certainly agree with jail time. The person who to be incarcerated all depends on what hand they had in hiring. If the person knowingly knew that they were hiring an illegal, or purposefully weren't thorough in their process to allow illegals to hired, think "plausible deniabilty" would say their butts, then they are far game.... from top to bottom. Though it should be noted that I did not request jail time on a first offense.

Define "sizable", in 1996 according to DHS Canada was number 4 on the list of countries that illegals came from. Sounds high right? The amount was 120,000 which sounds pretty high right? They estimated that there were about 5 million illegals at that time.
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf

And I can't find the cites off hand but going from memory, most illegals work in the food industry. If all illegals left/were kicked out, cost of food would rise about 3%.

I do agree with amending the 14th though, if you are here illegally then your offspring are not automatically citizens. And going after employers. But IMO but IANAL you wouldn't have to modify Posse comitatus, according to the Constitution the military is allowed to protect our borders, well repel invasions anyway.

Im not 100% sure you are correct about Posse Comitatus, and I'm not sure I am 100% correct either (to be fair). Obviously the US military are able to protect our borders, in a military capacity. The question is, are they able to do so in a law enforcement capacity. The federal govt has "toed" the line very carefully in this regard. There was even talk for a time, by congress, of modifying PosCom, so that military use along the border wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Sylvain]

Don't read too much into that. From all I know of you, based on my interaction here, you seem a standup guy.
I'm speaking from a general sense. If you are the guy you portray, I have zero issue with you specifically becoming a citizen.

To relay a story:
Some years back, I knew a guy from Zimbabwe. He was going to IUPUI for college, and we worked together at a local mall. On 9/11, I opened the store, turned on the TVs, and me and another employee watched in horror at what was unfolding in NYC, PA, and DC. Lil later this guy walked in (to begin his shift) a with a big grin on his face, and asked "what everybody was so sad about." That made my blood boil, and if the mall hadnt been closed a short time later, I am 100% sure I would have punched him in the face and attempted to drag him outside and show him what a curb stomp was.
That guy is now an American, in every sense of the word, and there are plenty more like him.

Well thanks for the kind words.

I understand your point.
Someone is not good or bad because of a legal status.
You can have an illegal allien who will be truly a good person who works hard to help his family and love the US.
And you can find legal US citizen who just dont care about their country.

I know that if I ever become a US citizen I wont feel like it just because I get a piece of paper saying that its legal.I would feel like it before that just like I feel now.I would not love this country more or less.
It's just like the difference with loving your fiancée and loving your wife, you love her the same but you just have a legal document now that you are married.I dont know if that makes sense.

 

[mrjarrell]

Which 1 and where is your proof/facts?

Mad faces for not showing your proof.

Sheriff Fears Texas Gov. Perry's Anti-Illegal Immigration Push - Fox News Latino

You can also check Forbes for the ratings.

 

[mrjarrell]

$2.2 trillion illegal alien taxpayer sticker shock

The CBO would disagree with those figures. As a matter of fact, they do.
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf

 

[Timjoebillybob]

If you are not a permanent residant or a US citizen you cant buy a gun in a gun store.
I know I tried and I couldnt.Not where I tried anyway.
You cant get a LTCH and carry a gun either if you are not permanent residant or a US citizen last time I checked with the ISP.
But nothing keeps you from owning a gun legally if you get it as a gift from someone who could legally buy it as long as you keep it in your house.
I guess its just like with people under 21 who cant buy a handgun but they can still own it and carry it with a LTCH when they are over 18.
Which I always thought it was strange.

Under federal law

(f)(1) It shall be unlawful for any common or contract carrier to
transport or deliver in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm or
ammunition with knowledge or reasonable cause to believe that the
shipment, transportation, or receipt thereof would be in violation of
the provisions of this chapter.
(g) It shall be unlawful for any person--

(5) who, being an alien--
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been
admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that
term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and
Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));

(y) Provisions Relating to Aliens Admitted Under Nonimmigrant
Visas.--
(2) Exceptions.--Subsections (d)(5)(B), (g)(5)(B), and
(s)(3)(B)(v)(II) do not apply to any alien who has been lawfully
admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, if that
alien is--

(A) admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or
sporting purposes or is in possession of a hunting license or
permit lawfully issued in the United States;

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+18USC922
Under IN law for issuing a LTCH

(4) is:
(A) a citizen of the United States; or
(B) not a citizen of the United States but is allowed to carry a firearm in the United States under federal law;

Indiana Code 35-47-2

Now I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but it seems to me if you can own a firearm for hunting under federal law, under federal law you can carry it. How else are you going to hunt with it? Under IN law if you can carry under federal law you can get a LTCH. Perhaps a real lawyer can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[.40caltrucker]

According to the CDC Blacks, Whites and the elderly use the ER system a whole lot more than hispanics. Just sayin'....

Have you noticed Whites, blacks, and elderly make up the majority of our population. Hispanics make up a minority of course they use it less.

to reveal a lil more about myself, I am a staunch isolationist, that believes in an 80/20 Capitalist/Socialist society (and so help me if anyone says anything about my using the word "socialist"). I view illegal immigrants as a threat to American society AND, to a degree, I view legal aliens, at least in the numbers we allow to live here, as a threat too.

Our public universities educate far too many foreign students, we allow the adoption of far too many foreign children, we spend way too much feeding and caring for persons that don't have the interests of the United States of America in mind. As long as American mouths go without, it's hard to justify sending even a grain of rice anywhere else in the world.

Now, as I've stated earlier, I understand more intimately than you know the "whys" and "hows" surrounding this issue, and I truly sympathize. However, it is not the job of the United States govt to support every "hard luck case" country with my tax dollars. Americans are one of the most charitable peoples on the planet. If other places need help, let the individual American decide what they want to donate from their own pocket.

I agree we should stop sending money oversees, shouldn't a 20% socialist person be in support of redistributing our money though?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Have you noticed Whites, blacks, and elderly make up the majority of our population. Hispanics make up a minority of course they use it less.

I agree we should stop sending money oversees, shouldn't a 20% socialist person be in support of redistributing our money though?

don't get caught up with the word "socialist" as being a scary word. Any dime that comes from your pocket via taxes, for the benefit of all, is by definition socialist. I'm not talking about about taking care of welfare moochers and other lazy persons.

 

[paul1968mcr]

I'm just glad I'm English, and had the opportunity to come here legally 4 years ago, after paying thousands and thousands to Uncle Sam for the priviledge. Oh and the JOY of dealing with USINS, who make the TSA look like Kindergarden assistants.

Who knows, if I hadn't have been English, and willing to come here legally, I might have has to swim across a river and walk through a desert or something.

 

[paul1968mcr]

Glad you think like that, some posts can make you feel unwelcome in a country that you love.

If you are not a permanent residant or a US citizen you cant buy a gun in a gun store.
I know I tried and I couldnt.Not where I tried anyway.
You cant get a LTCH and carry a gun either if you are not permanent residant or a US citizen last time I checked with the ISP.
But nothing keeps you from owning a gun legally if you get it as a gift from someone who could legally buy it as long as you keep it in your house.
I guess its just like with people under 21 who cant buy a handgun but they can still own it and carry it with a LTCH when they are over 18.
Which I always thought it was strange.[/quot

I originally came here on an L Visa, and after being here 1 year bought a Henry .44 on a non-immigrant visa because I had obtained a hunting licence, that I HAD to keep current....now I have my greencard I have a LTCH....Still have to show proof of 3 months residency everytime a buy a gun though at he NICS check.

 

[antdog/zook]

I knows lots of US citizens who dont follow the laws, speak really poor english and dont pay taxes.
I guess its fine as they are legal in that country.

Also most illegal alliens do speak english.Lets worry about americans not being able to speak another language.
I know lots of those too.

my ancestors came here to ellis island, my great aunt, then grandma and last her sister. they had to speak english properly before they could become citizens. before she died (nana)she was so upset about all the illegals here that couldnt speak english and commiting crimes with no where for them to be jailed. how many here have been involved in, or know someone that has been in a car accident with illegal? my uncle was, guy had no greencard, couldnt habla, no insurance, but police let his girlfriend(us citizen) drive car away, not even as much as a ticket. come on! atleast a ticket for no insurance? i had a guy(citizen) run a light and cream my truck, no insurance admitted to cop on scene. this guy didnt get a ticket either? wth? driver's license was probably fake too....there is a place for all this scum in my opinion....jail. hypothetical-let my insurance lapse, or not have card on me, i would get a ticket.
i was taken to lock-up 1 night for not having my ltch on my person. forgot my wallet at home. they ran me, knew my driver;s license and ltch was valid and said "this is what you get for not having it on you" got to ride in a patty wagon for about 4 hours, sit downtown that night, get bailed out, car towed, ticket for not having id on me. late to wrk the next morning, cost me about $300. why dont they do this to illegals?....because you cant get blood from a turnip! reason i was pulled over was never answered. young guy in cadillac with wire wheels? music wasnt too loud? just a few personal stories of why i know system is a mess! makes me ill! i wont even get into time i got gun pointed in my face, dragged off of my bike, almost knocked girl that was with me and bike over. all for turning right on a red light.

us citizens that dont pay taxes, should be put on a chain-gang working, cleaning ditches, or any other job for their community that they live in! just as illegals should. you want the rights? earn them!

everything depends on where you are in indy as far as %ratios. westside belmont&washington streets, i am minority.

why should americans need to speak another language, if they never plan on visiting other countries? should not be a problem. do other countries have "press 2 for english"? signs in english at all the stores, restaurants,ect?

guess im equal op racist, i dont care if you are:white/black/yellow/green or purple....learn the language and pay taxes or suffer the conciquinces.

oh, 1 thing i forgot to mention i think is funny. i have a sign in my yard for 'driveway snow removal' i get a call last week, cant understand the guy talking on the other end. i would normally just hangup, but i really wanted to see if i could get what this guy was saying. so after about 2-3 minutes of this guy saying the same thing over and over i make out " move snow you" he wants to move snow for me? hahahahahaha! learn the language, then UNDERSTAND it! that is all, good night and god bless!