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IMPD officer shoots suspect in traffic stop, struggle over weapon on east side
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thunderchicken
Grandmaster
Not trying to start an argument. But, what makes you say Critical Defense isn't very good ammo? I'm always trying to learn.
I have the sane thoughts.....?????
Same thoughts CM? These "sane" thoughts you were having, have you had many? Is this the first time??
It has been shown to not meet the minimum FBI standards for penetration. (12") This was some time ago, I don't know if they've improved it or not. Critical Duty (not to be confused with Critical Defense) is supposed to be up to standards, but I just stick to the ammo that passes the FBI minimums and has also been shown to perform well in actual shootings. This list has been widely circulated in various tactical forums on the web:
The approved list of self-defense ammunition (is your ammo on this list?) pt 3 of 3 | Prepared Gun Owners
There are probably some newer loads that also make the grade, but I've not seen anyone say that anything performs better than HSTs, Federal Tactical Bonded, Gold Dots or Rangers.
Same thoughts CM? These "sane" thoughts you were having, have you had many? Is this the first time??
Crap.....caught me.....
HST and Gold Dots are my go to's. I have some of the ammo in question. But not loaded into the HD/EDC mags.
Me also. My EDC has 135 gr Critical Duty +P, one spare mag has that and the other has 147gr HST. I do have three mags loaded with Critical Defense. I don't have concerns about 115gr Critical Defense, but I carry what I carry for a reason.
Do you mean you personally won't answer, or I'll be hearing an instrumental version of Girl from Ipanema and a computer-generated voice will tell me I'm the 12th caller in line?
Frank_N_Stein
Grandmaster
I won't personally answer. You'll reach a real person that sounds like she is young and attractive but really old and heavy. And what I meant is I'll probably be on vacation the day you call.
thunderchicken
Grandmaster
Interesting read, and some good info. Now, I will need to do some research on the Critical Defense. I have some CD, but mostly I currently carry Speer Gold Dot (have for years). Based on info when the CD ammo came out, I thought it would have performed at least equally well. Interesting
Do a search for DocGKR and read what he has to say about the testing and real life work of much of the ammo out there. I think he has the best collected data and trust his judgement more than you tube vids or testing where the manufacturer paid for it.
