Indiana Constitutional Carry-Summer Study thread (2017)

[2A_Tom]

That's right out post-Pinner.

I think a veteran cop would write the ticket, hand back the license, tell Mikey McMotorist, you are free to leave, hey, by the way, do you have a license for the pistol? Thus converting detention into consensual encounter.

Have a nice day officer, OH, am I being detained?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Bosma.

Bosma is the schwerpunkt. We need to focus all fire on the leadership and have a floor vote in both chambers.

Bosma.

 

[SteveM4A1]

Oh Bosma....

 

[Trigger Time]

Have a nice day officer, OH, am I being detained?

Exactly. Suck on my chocolate covered salty ......

 

[jamil]

So what you're saying is that there has to be some context beyond "shall not be infringed" that defines what the "right to keep and bear arms" consists of and who has such a right?

Well, context is involved, sure. I'm saying that the part which requires context is deciding whether it is or isn't being infringed. In the context of laws which makes talking away firearm rights as one of the consequences imposed for committing certain crimes, it's a pretty difficult argument to make that it's any more an unconstitutional infringement of rights than the laws which allow courts to take away people's freedom by incarcerating them, or taking away people's lives by executing them.

In the other context, for example, laws which classify people as being licensed or not licensed, is an infringement.

 

[2A_Tom]

In that case are you asking if Stste CC would allow felons to carry legally? If so, No, not until the feds overturn their infringements.

Please allow me to explain. I do not think that it is an infringement for felons to be prohibited, were they not that would make the prison guards job much harder.

I believe that when an individual has completely served his debt to society he should be made whole and have all of the rights of a citizen.

If a person has been deemed to be a "threat" to society either through mental illness or sociopathy they should be separated from society until they are no longer a threat. That only through due process.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Pretty much a rerun of the story earlier in the week with the "cold beer apocalypse" tagged on at the end. Of course they found the Fishers MDA type who stated "the rights rights of the community..." crap. Not sure if she realizes a community is a group of people.

IN Focus: Lawmakers discuss gun, alcohol issues at Statehouse | FOX59

 

[actaeon277]

POLL: Should Indiana adopt constitutional carry of handguns? | Opinion | newsandtribune.com

POLL: Should Indiana adopt constitutional carry of handguns?

No, the committee should listen to law enforcement's concerns above all else. No, I can't see any benefit in getting rid of a safety net.
Yes, a state gun permit is just an obstacle to our constitutional right to bear arms.
Yes, people prohibited from carrying a handgun would still legally not be allowed to do so.
The committee should focus on how to reduce gun violence first.




Kind of annoying. Two yesses, and two nos.
Results are about 25 percent each, except a couple percent on the "committee should focus..."

 

[2A_Tom]

Actually it is three no's.

 

[brotherbill3]

Actually it is three no's.

The 3rd is a no without saying no, you know? ... LOL.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Bosma.

Bosma is the schwerpunkt. We need to focus all fire on the leadership and have a floor vote in both chambers.

Bosma.

I don't understand why we can't get a vote on this.

 

[T.Lex]

I don't understand why we can't get a vote on this.

Because no one gets voted out as long as they keep fighting to have a vote on it.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I don't understand why we can't get a vote on this.

Bosma. Bosma. Bosma.

In case I am accused of speaking in riddles, the answer to your question is Bosma.

 

[T.Lex]

Bosma. Bosma. Bosma.

In case I am accused of speaking in riddles, the answer to your question is Bosma.

Just so we're clear: when you say "Bosma" you mean [strike]Daniels Pence[/strike] Holcomb, right?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Just so we're clear: when you say "Bosma" you mean [strike]Daniels Pence[/strike] Holcomb, right?

Write Bosma. Do it now.

Phone calls are great. But written letters and postcards are even better as they are tangible.

Call your buddies together, pass out postcards, everyone sits and writes Bosma as they drink their coffee, tea, beer.

The House leadership is the problem. The Speaker of the House is the big muckety-muck in the House. We need to write Bosma.

 

[jamil]

Just so we're clear: when you say "Bosma" you mean [strike]Daniels Pence Holcomb[/strike] establishment Rupublicans (Fudds), right?

FIFY

 

[Kirk Freeman]

FIFY

No, it is one person. Nothing happens in the Indiana House without the Speaker letting it happen. Bosma is this person.

We know what the problem is. Now, let's go fix it. Go write him.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

To better understand our problem (read the footnotes): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Bosma

 

[jamil]

No, it is one person. Nothing happens in the Indiana House without the Speaker letting it happen. Bosma is this person.

We know what the problem is. Now, let's go fix it. Go write him.

Okay. Fine. But what about the other powerful people telling him to kill it? If he gets 50,000 letters, post-cards, emails, phone calls from frustrated gun owners outside of his district, will that convince him that he needs to move against the people telling him to make sure it doesn't happen?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

He is a partner at a medium/large law firm. He is comfortable.

Go make your argument. He is not "the enemy" but he is not a "true believer". He will need to be persuaded.

Read the footnotes of the wiki article, get inside his head and his country club stances. He does not want anything radical. ConCarry is nothing radical. Other states are doing it with no problems.

GOP is perceived as law enforcement friendly. Post-Pinner (he knows the case) ConCarry does nothing radical. LE/citizen interactions will not be different with ConCarry.

The funding, this is his MLR (main line of resistance). ConCarry will take no money away and could even increased funding as happened in Arizona as more people got licenses for travel outside the state. Indiana will not let funding decline to law enforcement so Democrats can cry "soft on crime" in November (a real fear of losing his supermajority).

1. It will not hurt him politically.
2. It will not impact day to day life in the state (ie it is not radical).