Urban Dictionary: Argument
TOP DEFINITION
Argument
A discussion that occurs in which I'm right, but he/she/they haven't realized it yet.
TOP DEFINITION
Argument
A discussion that occurs in which I'm right, but he/she/they haven't realized it yet.
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Please, stay engaged, find out where all this is leading...
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Attempting to stop me? Good luck.
...Am I playing your passions like a cheap trombone to generate content and discussion?
Urban Dictionary: Argument
TOP DEFINITION
Argument
A discussion that occurs in which I'm right, but he/she/they haven't realized it yet.
Dude, you're unpacking the crazy again, and we just got that mess put away
I think I have clearly explainedmy position. I have given scenarios. Your lack of understanding (or unwillingness to understand) is equally wide and deep.
I contend that removing Cooper's #4 and moving are worded Cooper's #1 to the bottom of the list serves the self interest of the NRA and does not serve the general population as well.
I have considered with an open mind the opinions of the NRA 3 proponents, many of whom I hold the highest regard; but, I am not convinced. I reject the opinion that Cooper's#1 is a failure. I reject the opinion that the NRA 3 are better because they are more efficient(...a Prius is more efficient than my Firebird; but, certainly not better...my opinion of course). I reject the opinion that Safe Direction and Identifying Target/What is Behind It are not distinctly different activities and worthy of differentiation. Frankly, I see no scenario or example that proves the NRA 3 superior to Cooper's 4. It seems we have spent 24 pages debating one opinion verses another opinion.
As I have already stated, I'm happy to adhere any set of rules which are required for my participation in an event. But, there is no evidence that compels me to not continue using Cooper's 4 in my day to day operation. I also see no pressing need to force the NRA 3 on folks who have been served well their entire lives by Cooper's 4. Unless I have missed something, there has not been a single example in 24 pages of debate where a ND resulted from someone following Cooper's 4 that would have been prevented by NRA 3.
ETA: You should meet the man! You just might find that everything you said in the above quote is true in spades. Although, you left out that his singing of the all clear cadence is nothing short of epic! I so strongly believe this that I will buy your admission to the next Revere'sRider's event where he is Shoot Boss...ooops, that might be obsolete terminology...Event Organizer.
If I am making this about personalities, I am mistaken. I do need to adjust fire if that is how this comes across. I wish to determine if ATM has enough application experience to say that the affect of teaching the 4 rules is unsafe. Because I cannot discern that as fact without a bit more information, I am left to determine it based on methods. His methods are for all to see.
Character is something that makes every difference. What is a man without it? His character is being determined continually (as are all of us wherever and however we choose to engage other men). I do not wish to fall victim to assessing his personality.
All these rules are incomplete unless further detail is added. Trying to encapsulate everything into a few easy, memorable concepts is what we do. But there are still grey areas left where an understanding of what is safe and what is not helps us transcend the grey areas. I still assert that whatever bullet-list of rules there are can't outwit a determined moron, nor the ego of an expert like the instructor in the OP. I'd like to hear the tail of an ND caused by someone faithfully adhering to either set of rules.
...As I said, show me where someone had an ND faithfully following either set.
Close-mindedness? I'll say it again: A lot of gunowners can't stand the NRA, particularly as it has existed since the 1980's. The NRA represents 5 million gun owners out of how many? 50 to 60 million?
2 of the NRA 3 make sense. The third does not without further explanation. Coop!
I will agree that safe storage is a separate issue from safe handling. However, if we're going to say that, we're not exactly comparing apples to apples. Cooper's rules are generally referred to more generically, as gun safety rules. This implies at least use as well as handling. The 3 NRA rules are handling rules. The NRA website lists several other rules in addition to the handling rules which apply to use and storage. I don't think the purpose of Cooper's rules were ever intended to encapsulate all aspects of gun safety...
You should, it actually explains a lot about my methods: https://www.16personalities.com/entp-personality
I have not encountered a pre-fab hagiography before
I will agree that safe storage is a separate issue from safe handling. However, if we're going to say that, we're not exactly comparing apples to apples. Cooper's rules are generally referred to more generically, as gun safety rules. This implies at least use as well as handling. The 3 NRA rules are handling rules. The NRA website lists several other rules in addition to the handling rules which apply to use and storage. I don't think the purpose of Cooper's rules were ever intended to encapsulate all aspects of gun safety.
I think I was 16 when I had to take a gun safety course to get a hunting license back in the 70s. I don't recall when Cooper's rules penned, but if it was before then, it wasn't widely taught as such. But in that course the same concepts of gun safety were taught. And most of the concepts the NRA handling, use, and storage rules were taught as well. Well, except they weren't big on hearing protection back then. I remember shooting a .22 LR revolver in an indoor range and no hearing protection was offered or even talked about. And outdoors with black powder. No ear pro. Bastards.
Please explain the difference between gun handling and gun use and how this distinction is addressed by Cooper versus the NRA. Take all the time you need.
ATM made the distinction apparent. It's obviously important to him.
Any feedback on my thoughts regarding those distinctions? Do they ring true or way off base?
I've addressed that with not apples/apples. Let's not go in circles. cbhausen had claimed that there's no difference. Surely there must be because you brought it up.
It was my response (#288) to your apples/apples I'm referring to, not anything cbhausen asked of you after that.
Identifying one set with the NRA and adopting or rejecting it on that basis alone is no different than identifying another set with Cooper and adopting or rejecting it on that basis alone.
It is not reasonable or logical to do so and you can't possibly defend it as such.
It simply says and means what it simply says and means. Not everything simple makes sense to everyone immediately, that's why teachers exist.
Which of those 16 types best describes you?
Are you willing to share an accurate description of both your strengths and your weaknesses?
Do you trust INGO to not use that information against you?
Actually, I don't really care whether you agree with me or not.
If it's good enough for the Marines it's good enough for everyone.
Coop!
Semper Fi