Instructors limiting gear/equipment choices??

[BehindBlueI's]

Why is the BUG a mouse gun?

How would I carry a second full size? I know you carry two on your belt when you carry, but I've fought way more people than I've shot and retention of two belt guns could be problematic. Plus, even in plain clothes I have a radio, spare mag, cuffs, tourniquet, badge, and duty gun on my belt. Unless I want to carry SOB, and I don't, my options are pretty limited. On Uniform details, my belt is completely full, so again, where would I carry it?

 

[rhino]

How would I carry a second full size? I know you carry two on your belt when you carry, but I've fought way more people than I've shot and retention of two belt guns could be problematic. Plus, even in plain clothes I have a radio, spare mag, cuffs, tourniquet, badge, and duty gun on my belt. Unless I want to carry SOB, and I don't, my options are pretty limited. On Uniform details, my belt is completely full, so again, where would I carry it?

You need to gain some weight so you'll have more belt space.

You make a good point about the career-specific gear you are obligated to carry that we are not, though. I have no use for handcuffs or a belt-mounted radio. I carry my tourniquet in a pocket.

Given that, I've seen uniformed cops with two pistols on their belts (not in Indiana). For example, when the show "COPS" filmed in Pittsburgh, several of the police officers wore two pistols. I am assuming, of course, that it wan't just for the tv show.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

You need to gain some weight so you'll have more belt space.

 

[rhino]

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Given that, I've seen uniformed cops with two pistols on their belts (not in Indiana). For example, when the show "COPS" filmed in Pittsburgh, several of the police officers wore two pistols. I am assuming, of course, that it wan't just for the tv show.

You sure it wasn't the big 2 shot Taser?

I won't say "all", but most PDs prohibit a second visible gun due to retention issues.

 

[Coach]

Let me inject something more valuable into this thread. Because I don't want to be referred to as a gear guy because that is not who I am.

[video=youtube;3D5lMyo3fp0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5lMyo3fp0[/video]

 

[rhino]

You sure it wasn't the big 2 shot Taser?

I won't say "all", but most PDs prohibit a second visible gun due to retention issues.

Absolutely sure they were not tasers. They were second handguns. That's why I remember it . . . it was unusual. One of them had one of those RCMP Mountie-style shoulder straps to support the extra weight. You also don't see that very often anymore.

 

[rhino]

Let me inject something more valuable into this thread. Because I don't want to be referred to as a gear guy because that is not who I am.

Clint Smith is a national treasure.

 

[cedartop]

Clint Smith is a national treasure.

Sometimes, like when watching the video above, I really like him.

 

[Coach]

How would I carry a second full size? I know you carry two on your belt when you carry, but I've fought way more people than I've shot and retention of two belt guns could be problematic. Plus, even in plain clothes I have a radio, spare mag, cuffs, tourniquet, badge, and duty gun on my belt. Unless I want to carry SOB, and I don't, my options are pretty limited. On Uniform details, my belt is completely full, so again, where would I carry it?

I have been in more than a few fights. You are a smart guy figure it out. Why does it have to be on your belt?

 

[Coach]

The whole world is not about cops. I know that is hard to believe for some.

 

[MCgrease08]

Why is the BUG a mouse gun?

In my case deep concealment is the biggest concern so the smaller the better.

That said, I admit there are other guns out there in a larger caliber with just a slightly larger footprint than the LCP, but the little Ruger is what I've got right now and it's just so damn easy to carry.

 

[CampingJosh]

I carry my tourniquet in a pocket.

I figured that you just kept it around your arm in preparation for whenever you pull a knife out of your pocket.

 

[Coach]

I figured that you just kept it around your arm in preparation for whenever you pull a knife out of your pocket.

That would be logical.

 

[Coach]

In my case deep concealment is the biggest concern so the smaller the better.

That said, I admit there are other guns out there in a larger caliber with just a slightly larger footprint than the LCP, but the little Ruger is what I've got right now and it's just so damn easy to carry.

I just cannot get my head around a 3-4 pound object being hard to carry. If you have to use that thing to survive what are you going to want in your hand?

 

[MCgrease08]

I just cannot get my head around a 3-4 pound object being hard to carry. If you have to use that thing to survive what are you going to want in your hand?

Full sized guns aren't hard to carry, they are harder to conceal.

 

[2A_Tom]

I figured that you just kept it around your arm in preparation for whenever you pull a knife out of your pocket.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I have been in more than a few fights. You are a smart guy figure it out. Why does it have to be on your belt?

Craig Douglas' ECQC proved to me I'm not terribly smart in this arena and I'll just listen to Craig, who is smart in this arena.

The whole world is not about cops. I know that is hard to believe for some.

Sure. Others who aren't cops are free to answer from their perspective, just as I answered from mine.

Despite the multitude of rabbit holes, my point remains the same:

If the goal of a self-defense course is to increase the survivability of the students, and if we accept that someone who is trained and armed with a .380 they know how to use has increased survivability over someone untrained and armed with any handgun at all, it isn't logical to not train someone based on the caliber of the handgun they bring to class. It is logical to train them and to also take that opportunity to explain the advantage of a duty caliber and/or larger handgun.

 

[Coach]

Craig Douglas' ECQC proved to me I'm not terribly smart in this arena and I'll just listen to Craig, who is smart in this arena.



Sure. Others who aren't cops are free to answer from their perspective, just as I answered from mine.

Despite the multitude of rabbit holes, my point remains the same:

If the goal of a self-defense course is to increase the survivability of the students, and if we accept that someone who is trained and armed with a .380 they know how to use has increased survivability over someone untrained and armed with any handgun at all, it isn't logical to not train someone based on the caliber of the handgun they bring to class. It is logical to train them and to also take that opportunity to explain the advantage of a duty caliber and/or larger handgun.

It is also logical that if they are better armed with a suitable caliber that their survivability is even higher than if they are trained and equipped with a lessor gun or caliber. A false sense of security is one thing that I try and guard against in all of my classes. I can take nearly anyone and make them better. I cannot make anyone a ninja. I see training someone up with a sub par gun as going half way. I am not interested in half way or good enough.

 

[nakinate]

Full sized guns aren't hard to carry, they are harder to conceal.

Maybe if you carry on your hip. FWIW I’ve had no problems concealing full size pistols with just a t-shirt on AIWB.