Is it Time to Fly the U.S. Flag upside down as a sign of "Dire Distress"?

[Spanky46151]

“What makes stupidity really insufferable is that it is forever in action - idiocy knows no rest”


I don't know who gets credit for making this statement, but I know several who get credit for making this statement true.

 

[flagtag]

Oh, bollocks. Before the Jesus-squeezers started meddling in this country, you could buy a gun from one of many shops with no paperwork or background checks (heck, you didn't even have identification), you could walk down the street to the local betting parlor, where you could place a bet on any of a number of sporting events, you could buy some cocaine to pick you up as you headed over to the brothel where you could enjoy the services of a buxom brunette for a while, whereupon you'd head back to the betting parlor to check on your winnings, and the local constabulary would stay out of all of it or get taught a quick lesson in freedom.

Republicans are opposed to all of what Real America was. Try any of that, and the first rat will be a Republican, doing his damndest to destroy your fun and freedom.

What passes for a Republican, today, is a freedom-hating religious meddler who doesn't like his fellow man and wants to to impose a view of the world on him. Lots of war, too.

At least Obama smokes some dope, doesn't care with whom you sleep, and doesn't ride around with the Ten Commandments shoved up his arse.

I simply don't buy that the Republicans are riding in on a horse of freedom.

You're right! Obama IS a DOPE! Obama doesn't care about anything but power and betraying our great country. Obama is a traitor. And so are those in his administration, Reid and Pelosi, et al.

Maybe we'll get lucky one day and the scumbag traitor will get ahold of some bad weed or drugs and will "off" himself! We can only pray!

 

[flagtag]

Smoking357 said:
"Further, Americans really need to drop their claim to freedom. We have far and away the highest per capita prison population in the world."

What has the "prison population" have to do with anything? Those in prison CHOSE to break the law (violate the rights of others) and put themselves in prison. ("Do the crime, do the time!") That was their choice to make - no one forced it on them.

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

All this over health insurance? Seriously? This from the same people that cheered a tax being slapped on everyone to build a needless football stadium?

Bush did far more to attack freedom and destroy the nature of this country than Obama has. Where was the outrage? Clinton actually left the White House running surpluses, and everyone hated him.

This is why the appeal of Republicans is limited. They fail to see the evil of their own big government, but hate anyone else's big government.

Oh, bollocks. Before the Jesus-squeezers started meddling in this country, you could buy a gun from one of many shops with no paperwork or background checks (heck, you didn't even have identification), you could walk down the street to the local betting parlor, where you could place a bet on any of a number of sporting events, you could buy some cocaine to pick you up as you headed over to the brothel where you could enjoy the services of a buxom brunette for a while, whereupon you'd head back to the betting parlor to check on your winnings, and the local constabulary would stay out of all of it or get taught a quick lesson in freedom.

Republicans are opposed to all of what Real America was. Try any of that, and the first rat will be a Republican, doing his damndest to destroy your fun and freedom.

What passes for a Republican, today, is a freedom-hating religious meddler who doesn't like his fellow man and wants to to impose a view of the world on him. Lots of war, too.

At least Obama smokes some dope, doesn't care with whom you sleep, and doesn't ride around with the Ten Commandments shoved up his arse.

I simply don't buy that the Republicans are riding in on a horse of freedom.

If you'll spend some time looking around INGO, my opinion is that you'll find that many/most posts DO reflect a difference between the labels "Republican" and "Conservative". I have also not read a chorus of individuals singing the praises of the Republican party as the salvation to our political problems. Most of what I see are members writing that voting "R" instead of "D" is seen to be the lesser of two evils - not a pleasant choice, but necessary at times.

As an aside, why were the "surpluses" under Clinton that you wrote about a good thing? To me, personally, a government that runs a surplus is a government that is collecting too many monies from the citizens.

 

[jmiller676]

Flying the flag upside down I see no disrespect towards our soldiers. How do you even relate that? The Flag is what this country stands for and the liberties it represents is under attack and has been. The soldiers are defending the country not the Government. If you think flying the flag upside down is disrespectful explain how? How is it disrespectful when we see that our soldiers are being held to insane R.O.Es and what they are supposedly fighting for is being taken away from them just like citizens.

Unless you're like Smoking357 and believe that the flag and United States of America is not free and means nothing to anybody...

 

[Rattlesnake46319]

I just don't see it as time to fly the Flag inverted. We're in a time of concern, not distress. To me, flying the Flag inverted is the same as waving a white flag (no disrespect meant toward SE, just differing views), and I'm not doing that any time soon.

 

[jmiller676]

I just don't see it as time to fly the Flag inverted. We're in a time of concern, not distress. To me, flying the Flag inverted is the same as waving a white flag (no disrespect meant toward SE, just differing views), and I'm not doing that any time soon.

I don't see it as a white flag, its a signal not a forfeit, We are in distress our country and freedoms is on some very, very think ice. To be just "concerned" is overlooking a lot of the factors IMO.

However, I do not fly my flag upside down, it is mounted on the side of the house not on a pole where it is flown nice and high.

 

[flagtag]

Fly the flag proud and true!

Let the traitors know that we haven't given up our country, rights, and Constitution. Let them know that we will continue to stand strong and will not give up and let them have their way. That no matter what they do, WE THE PEOPLE will always remain TRUE, LOYAL, PATRIOTIC AMERICANS!

Show off "Old Glory" as she was intended!

 

[SavageEagle]

Show off "Old Glory" as she was intended!

We can't do that. It's illegal for a group of Patriots carrying the flag to bum-rush traitors, guns a blazing...

 

[SavageEagle]

I know it's fun to say that in America, but the reality is that Western European countries, e.g., France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, etc. are socialistic and a lot freer than America.

I was reading a book I picked up a while back and I would like to read you an excerpt from this book. If you can tell me what writing this came from and who wrote it, WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP, you will have gained a little of my respect back. Regardless, I want you to read these words and really think about them. If you don't know the origin, I highly suggest you go read the writing as a whole.

Though I would carefully avoid giving unnecessary offence, yet I am inclined to believe, that all those who espouse the doctrine of reconciliation, may be included within the following descriptions. Interested men, who are not to be trusted; weak men, who cannot be see; prejudiced men who will not see; and a certain set of moderate men, who think better of the European world than it deserves; and this last class, by an ill-judged deliberation will be the cause of more calamities to this continent, than all the other three.

(added emphasis mine)

There is a reason the Founding Fathers split this Country from England and Europe as a whole. They knew that all those "values" and "principles" of the European continent were not friendly of the free man.

You say Europe is more free than America. I challenge you to also find me one European that agrees with you.

 

[Prometheus]

Smoking357 said:
"Further, Americans really need to drop their claim to freedom. We have far and away the highest per capita prison population in the world."

What has the "prison population" have to do with anything? Those in prison CHOSE to break the law (violate the rights of others) and put themselves in prison. ("Do the crime, do the time!") That was their choice to make - no one forced it on them.

I'm not agreeing with smoking357 but the idea that most ppl in prison violated someone elses rights is BS. Total Bull$hit.

Over half the people in prison are there for DRUG related crimes. Someone smoking pot or snorting coke does nothing to violate my Rights. They may be breaking some big brother laws, but that doesn't mean jack.

That is something I agree with 357 on. For a "free" country, we have the highest percentage of population in prison... not by a few percent but by leaps and bounds.

It's disgusting.

America may be "free-er" than most other places, but it is far from free. We are an oppressed people and with the health care bill, I don't think calling us enslaved is a stretch.

 

[BloodEclipse]

As an aside, why were the "surpluses" under Clinton that you wrote about a good thing? To me, personally, a government that runs a surplus is a government that is collecting too many monies from the citizens.

Because he gutted our military and intelligence agencies and we see how well that worked out huh?
I agree that the Gov should always rebate back any and all surpluses.

 

[flagtag]

Prometheus said:
"Over half the people in prison are there for DRUG related crimes. Someone smoking pot or snorting coke does nothing to violate my Rights. They may be breaking some big brother laws, but that doesn't mean jack."

So long as the person using works at a legal job and legally earns the money to purchase his dope. AND as long as he/she isn't supporting a dealer that hasn't harmed someone in supplying the dope (for the dope).

But, too many "dopes" steal in order to get the money for their drugs. (stealing from family is still stealing, even if family doesn't have him/her arrested for the theft.)

Also, it also depends on what the person on drugs does under the influence. Is he/she driving? Does he/she get violent? Does he/she risk the health/wealfare of his/her child(ren)? Who might have been harmed/killed in order to grow/manufacture/deliver those drugs? The buyer is just as responsible because he/she provides the incentive for the continued "sale". (If there were no buyers, there would be no reason for the crime. Good luck with that!)

In other words, the user isn't the only one involved. So, it may not interfere with YOUR rights, but it may interfere with another's rights.
("No man is an island".)

 

[Prometheus]

Prometheus said:
"Over half the people in prison are there for DRUG related crimes. Someone smoking pot or snorting coke does nothing to violate my Rights. They may be breaking some big brother laws, but that doesn't mean jack."

So long as the person using works at a legal job and legally earns the money to purchase his dope.

But, too many "dopes" steal in order to get the money for their drugs. (stealing from family is still stealing, even if family doesn't have him/her arrested for the theft.)

Why can't we prosecute them for the theft(s)?

Also, it also depends on what the person on drugs does under the influence.

I think if you kill someone while driving a car (drunk, stoned or sober), you should be punished accordingly.

Does it mater if a sober man kills a child crossing the street anymore than a drunk man? Is she any more dead because the driver was drunk? Responsibility.

In other words, the user isn't the only one involved. So, it may not interfere with YOUR rights, but it may interfere with another's rights.
("No man is an island".)

If a actual crime is committed, prosecute for that crime. If you can't show an actual victim, there is no crime.

Legalize most drugs and treat them like cigarettes and alcohol today and current drug dealers would be out of business before the midterms.

Same thing happened when prohibition was repealed.

You seem to be living in a dream world, not all drug users are unemployed thieves. I'd say at least 1/3 of the Ft Lauderdale PD in 1999 smoked pot. I know many MD's who smoke it, let alone nurses.

It's pretty common. I prefer the occasional rum and coke myself. I'm not sure what rock your living under but marijuana use is very common.

I don't think people should be working in most jobs under the influence of pot anymore than alcohol, but on their own time? Why should anyone care?

Liberty. Look it up.

 

[SavageEagle]

Prometheus said:
"Over half the people in prison are there for DRUG related crimes. Someone smoking pot or snorting coke does nothing to violate my Rights. They may be breaking some big brother laws, but that doesn't mean jack."

So long as the person using works at a legal job and legally earns the money to purchase his dope. AND as long as he/she isn't supporting a dealer that hasn't harmed someone in supplying the dope (for the dope).

But, too many "dopes" steal in order to get the money for their drugs. (stealing from family is still stealing, even if family doesn't have him/her arrested for the theft.)

Also, it also depends on what the person on drugs does under the influence. Is he/she driving? Does he/she get violent? Does he/she risk the health/wealfare of his/her child(ren)? Who might have been harmed/killed in order to grow/manufacture/deliver those drugs? The buyer is just as responsible because he/she provides the incentive for the continued "sale". (If there were no buyers, there would be no reason for the crime. Good luck with that!)

In other words, the user isn't the only one involved. So, it may not interfere with YOUR rights, but it may interfere with another's rights.
("No man is an island".)

This discussion is better suited in another thread, but I want to say this. If a person using drugs commits a crime, it's not the drug's fault. It's the person's fault that was using the drug. If drugs were legal, you take away the dangers from the dealers. And the only people who would steal the drugs would be the same people who rob liquor stores and such.

If you can't hold your smoke, pass the joint.

EDIT Pro said it better and can obviously type faster. You Go Dude!

 

[BloodEclipse]

Why can't we prosecute them for the theft(s)?


I think if you kill someone while driving a car (drunk, stoned or sober), you should be punished accordingly.

Does it mater if a sober man kills a child crossing the street anymore than a drunk man? Is she any more dead because the driver was drunk? Responsibility.



If a actual crime is committed, prosecute for that crime. If you can't show an actual victim, there is no crime.

Legalize most drugs and treat them like cigarettes and alcohol today and current drug dealers would be out of business before the midterms.

Same thing happened when prohibition was repealed.

You seem to be living in a dream world, not all drug users are unemployed thieves. I'd say at least 1/3 of the Ft Lauderdale PD in 1999 smoked pot. I know many MD's who smoke it, let alone nurses.

It's pretty common. I prefer the occasional rum and coke myself. I'm not sure what rock your living under but marijuana use is very common.

I don't think people should be working in most jobs under the influence of pot anymore than alcohol, but on their own time? Why should anyone care?

Liberty. Look it up.

First off who is going to supply drugs if they are legalized?

 

[SavageEagle]

First off who is going to supply drugs if they are legalized?

I'LL GROW IT!!! If it's legalized of course.

 

[BloodEclipse]

I'LL GROW IT!!! If it's legalized of course.

Are you also going to deal with all the lawyers who will sue you for providing a product known to cause harm to it's consumers?

 

[SavageEagle]

Are you also going to deal with all the lawyers who will sue you for providing a product known to cause harm to it's consumers?

Nope. The company that I sell it to that packages and distributes it will. You don't see farmers dealing with those lawyers do ya?

 

[BloodEclipse]

Nope. The company that I sell it to that packages and distributes it will. You don't see farmers dealing with those lawyers do ya?

They feel the results.