Justice Stevens: Second Amendment is ‘no obstacle’ to banning automatic weapons

[poptab]

It was good enough for the founders!

"Don't tar me bro!"

Hey since we are bringing cool stuff back from the dead can we get duels back too?

 

[Kenny87ky]

When I read it I believe he claims to understand that the 2nd amendment only protects firearms in common use for lawful purposes.

How would this not apply to a AR 15, its a very common weapon that almost all gun enthusiast own and and is possessed for lawful purposes. Even in a political correct sense the AR 15 has a place as a sporting weapon for carbine matches that can't really be fulfilled with a bolt action hunting rifle. Canada even opted to label the AR platform as restricted instead of prohibiting it when they went on a gun ban spree in 1995 because of the sporting purpose it served.

It would seem this guy is ignorant of gun culture today and stuck in the past when a gun owner was a fud who went to buy his trusty thirdy thirdy for upcoming deer season. AR's and tactical weapons in general are very much in "common use" and serve plenty of lawful purposes.

 

[jedi]

When I read it I believe he claims to understand that the 2nd amendment only protects firearms in common use for lawful purposes.

How would this not apply to a AR 15, its a very common weapon that almost all gun enthusiast own and and is possessed for lawful purposes. Even in a political correct sense the AR 15 has a place as a sporting weapon for carbine matches that can't really be fulfilled with a bolt action hunting rifle. Canada even opted to label the AR platform as restricted instead of prohibiting it when they went on a gun ban spree in 1995 because of the sporting purpose it served.

It would seem this guy is ignorant of gun culture today and stuck in the past when a gun owner was a fud who went to buy his trusty thirdy thirdy for upcoming deer season. AR's and tactical weapons in general are very much in "common use" and serve plenty of lawful purposes.

2a is not about keeping guns it's the teeth the people have to get rid of their .gov should that .gov stop being FOR THE PEOPLE.

Someone link the penn & tell bs esposide on this please.

 

[Kenny87ky]

yes I have seen that video you are talking about and I am not stating my opinion of why you should or should not have guns, I'm just stating that this guy came out and stated that the 2nd amendments only protects weapons that are in common use for lawful purposes, which AR's clearly fall under, and goes on to form an incorrect opinion that they are not and wants them regulated.


To sum up everything I tried to say I am saying he used his own words and facts against him.

 

[jbombelli]

yes I have seen that video you are talking about and I am not stating my opinion of why you should or should not have guns, I'm just stating that this guy came out and stated that the 2nd amendments only protects weapons that are in common use for lawful purposes, which AR's clearly fall under, and goes on to form an incorrect opinion that they are not and wants them regulated.


To sum up everything I tried to say I am saying he used his own words and facts against him.

The fact that machine guns are no longer in common use is 100% the government's fault, and not being in common use as a legitimate reason to ban them is anti-gunner circular reasoning at its finest.

Mostly banned = no longer in common use after a couple of decades. No longer in common use? It's okay to ban them!

Right?


Don't go for that line of reasoning. It's crap.

 

[John Galt]

Yet, the irony of arming civilains of other countries with all kinds of cool stuff when their government starts to murder them - think Middle Eastern countries ...
... shall not be infringed ...

 

[mrortega]

Maybe we can get together and re-enact the Boston tea party in protest to unfair taxation. Only it would be a 'gun party' and I imagine it wouldn't end very well.

We could always try to secede from the Union...

You mean like smear our faces with war paint and scale the sides of Don's Guns in the dead of night then throw them into the White river as a protest?

 

[Raskolnikov]

These judges are becoming all too political. Soon, they'll be standing up and applauding at the State of the Union Address. It bothers me that they are commenting on rulings before the specific issue is even brought before the court.

 

[Expat]

After reading former Justice Stevens's commentary, he knows significantly less than poo.

And keep in mind that he has three sisters that are fellow travelers on the RKBA...If one of the other 5 turns over...

 

[Loco179]

Term Limits for everyone!

 

[cobber]

Hey since we are bringing cool stuff back from the dead can we get duels back too?

Well why not!

 

[MTubbs1]

“Maybe you have some kind of constitutional right to have a cell phone with a pre-dialed 911 in the number at your bedside and that might provide you with a little better protection than a gun which you’re not used to using,”

Wonder if I will be able to have an assault phone.

 

[ditto]

Stevens also had a recommendation for people who keep a weapon in their homes for self-defense purposes. “Maybe you have some kind of constitutional right to have a cell phone with a pre-dialed 911 in the number at your bedside and that might provide you with a little better protection than a gun which you’re not used to using,” he said to laughter.

I remember hearing this audio on Levin one night and thinking what an out of touch fool!!! That's right!! Give everyone a pre-dialed 911 Obama Phone, some food stamps, some Jersey Shore and we'll all be good little sheeple and sleep soundly knowing we aren't capable of defending ourselves, but that's okay, we'll just keep our Obama Phones really close! The people laughing when he said it too worry me just as much. BLOCKHEADS!

 

[Ted]

Much like other limousine liberals, I'm willing to speculate that our good Justice Stevens has armed security....and likely at governmental expense in the form of the U.S. Marshal's office.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Term Limits for everyone!

It is the power of the electorate to enforce these, for those officials that actually are elected.

Look at history and you'll see why the SCOTUS Justices are appointed for life-it's to place their positions above political gain.

As to (statutory) term limits... So good people, such as Mr. Johnson or Dr. Paul should be removed from office to make room for the Pelosis and the Reids and their ilk, just because some arbitrary time period has passed? No thanks. If I want Obama out of office, I'll make some noise about it and vote for who I think has the best chance of taking his place.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Expat]

It is the power of the electorate to enforce these, for those officials that actually are elected.

Look at history and you'll see why the SCOTUS Justices are appointed for life-it's to place their positions above political gain.

As to (statutory) term limits... So good people, such as Mr. Johnson or Dr. Paul should be removed from office to make room for the Pelosis and the Reids and their ilk, just because some arbitrary time period has passed? No thanks. If I want Obama out of office, I'll make some noise about it and vote for who I think has the best chance of taking his place.

Blessings,
Bill

Bill, in principle, I agree with you. I think that is the way that folks should be removed from office. Having said that, it seems clear from writings of the Founders that they did not expect or intend for us to have a permanent ruling class of career politicians. Somehow over the years that seems to be what we have evolved to in this country.

 

[CathyInBlue]

The power of the Johnsons and Pauls in Congress does not come from longevity. It comes from having good ideas. The power of the Reids and Peolsis in Congress does not come from their good ideas. It comes from their longevity. By instituting a 12 year term limit for legislators, it would not be cutting the legs out from under the Right, which can find their successors and groom them to take over their position of public trust in the public eye with the public's interests at heart. Term limits will be cutting the legs out from under the Left, which only thrives off a persistent, uninterrupted power base.

 

[Bill of Rights]

The power of the Johnsons and Pauls in Congress does not come from longevity. It comes from having good ideas. The power of the Reids and Peolsis in Congress does not come from their good ideas. It comes from their longevity. By instituting a 12 year term limit for legislators, it would not be cutting the legs out from under the Right, which can find their successors and groom them to take over their position of public trust in the public eye with the public's interests at heart. Term limits will be cutting the legs out from under the Left, which only thrives off a persistent, uninterrupted power base.

And how does this prevent the Left from doing the same, grooming successors, i.e. Emanuel taking over from Daley in Chicago? I know that question may come across as rhetorical or even sarcastic. I don't mean it to be taken as anything other than at face value: If there's something I'm missing here, (which is very possible since I'm beyond exhaustion right now) please let me know.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Ted]

The power of the Johnsons and Pauls in Congress does not come from longevity. It comes from having good ideas. The power of the Reids and Peolsis in Congress does not come from their good ideas. It comes from their longevity. By instituting a 12 year term limit for legislators, it would not be cutting the legs out from under the Right, which can find their successors and groom them to take over their position of public trust in the public eye with the public's interests at heart. Term limits will be cutting the legs out from under the Left, which only thrives off a persistent, uninterrupted power base.

The majority of the American electorate is a fickle bunch that looks more to style and familiarity, than that of substance.

 

[CathyInBlue]

Part of the way Leftists use their safe seats in Congress is that their longevity allows them seniority on key subcommittees. When these guaranteed committee chairmanships and seniority positions evapourate, they will take their patronage systems with them.