Lost a little faith in the .45

[hemicharger]

I went on a shooting last night. The car was hit 10 times at very close range with a 45. 3 bullets entered through the back door and into the drivers seat where the bullets bounced off the drivers back. he had 3 big welts but none of the bullets entered him. Btw, they were fmj rounds.
I know cars do weird things to bullets, but I'm wondering if the suspect had used a faster round (9mm, 40) if the outcome would have been the same?

 

[IndyGunworks]

I think a bonded bullet would have made the most differance. but speed could have helped as well.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

And thus the .38 Super was born from these circumstances.

Everything old is new again.

 

[philagothon]

Through the back door? Was it a hatchback, or did the rounds enter through a rear passenger door? A rear passenger door would involve pretty steep angles that could mess with any caliber. The rear door of a hatchback or suv could involve several layers of material to slow and deform the bullets.

 

[hemicharger]

Through the back drivers side door into the back of the drivers seat.

 

[Disposable Heart]

And thus the .38 Super was born from these circumstances.

Everything old is new again.

LOLZA, hey Kirk, is that the Ford with the NEW V-8 in it?

To think how much things would have been different had Thompson mass produced .38 Super subguns... Take THAT Cords, Dusenbergs, Auburns, Hudsons, Fords, Chryslers...

 

[hemicharger]

I think a bonded bullet would have made the most differance. but speed could have helped as well.

They were fmj rounds and were only mildly deformed. I have no idea where the other 7 rounds went but there some exit holes on the passenger side.

 

[Expat]

I don't think that is too surprising. .45s are big slow bullets. Good for hitting a bad guy, but not so good for shooting through stuff before impacting said bad guy.

 

[gunman41mag]

Maybe the 357 SIG round would do better

 

[Rob377]

From some of the stuff I've seen, 45 doesn't do as well as one would like v. sheet metal barriers.

AR15.COM :: Archives :: Steel Sheets o' Truth Table added P.6

 

[Cwood]

Most pistol rounds will not go through a car. We did a class in September with Henk Iverson and on the last day we shot up two cars. I will try and find the link to the thread. You would be surprised how little a rifle round does to them also.

 

[Bang-bang]

Maybe the 357 SIG round would do better

Thats what I m thinking. It's lot faster.......

 

[Cwood]

Heres the thread

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-had_some_car_trouble_at_the_range_today.html

 

[yotewacker]

I do not like the 45. I own several of them. It's way to much bullet for the amount of powder behind it. I prefer the 40. It has more ftpds of energy than a 45 does. Also almost double the penetration. I think its far superior than a 45 it.
I have not seen any 45+P ammunition ballistics or 40 +P ballistics. I'm just going by what is standard issue.

 

[gunman41mag]

Most pistol rounds will not go through a car. We did a class in September with Henk Iverson and on the last day we shot up two cars. I will try and find the link to the thread. You would be surprised how little a rifle round does to them also.

As for rifle rounds, I'm sure the 50 BMG will go thur car doors

 

[tgallmey]

30-06 fixes that. pop 8 rounds from a Garand through that door and see if it does any better I know they will go long ways through a Bronco

 

[Cheapdiesel]

Most pistol rounds will not go through a car. We did a class in September with Henk Iverson and on the last day we shot up two cars. I will try and find the link to the thread. You would be surprised how little a rifle round does to them also.

I have never shot thru a car but, I can say that 7.62x39 fmj fired from my ak will make a perfect hole thru two sheets or 16 ga mild steel and still lodge deep into a 8" log backstop at about 80 or 90 yards

 

[ThrottleJockey]

My 7.62x39 handles cars just fine...or the 06, or the 30-30......I'm a .40 kind of guy so....

 

[CalebToNowhere]

Cool link that shows car door penetration with pistols.

The Box O' Truth - The Buick O' Truth #3 - Pistols and Car Doors

Most pistol rounds will not go through a car. We did a class in September with Henk Iverson and on the last day we shot up two cars. I will try and find the link to the thread. You would be surprised how little a rifle round does to them also.

 

[Chefcook]

The thing is the bullet only needs to make it through one side of the car to do damage to the occupants. The .45acp is not meant to be an armor piercing round. As a civilian I cant contemplate too many scenarios where I would be shooting through a vehicle in a self defense situation. However, I still say car doors are concealment not cover.