Mass shooters and Body Armor

[Vigilant]

Damn you CM, killing the thread here’s hoping for page 3

 

[churchmouse]

I didnt do it man I swear I didnt....honest

 

[KellyinAvon]

Sweet! a subject I can speak about
1. It appears from people that were shot about 2 feet away from me that getting shot while wearing body armor hurts like a b)*&#!
2. SAPI plates or the civilian equivalent can take 7.62 NATO AP hits it would take several hits before they would break up.
3. Most of the modern vests I have been around have side plates so that so that shooting the side thing not so much.
4. Wounds from rounds going through plates spread the plate material along the wound channel.
5. Pelvic girdle, Head, Leg’s good targets if you can hit them.
6. It has a psychological effect on the enemy to hit somebody and they don’t go down and keep fighting it can make the bad or good guys run.
7. Do not get stuck in the mentality you have to shoot a certain drill. If you shoot and the threat is not gone keep shooting till the threat is gone that may mean shooting after they are on the ground “violence of action” fight like a Honey Badger” you have already made the decision to kill the person do it!
Do not let the fact it seems like you are shooting down a darkened tunnel or you can’t hear anything and it seems your hearts going about 300 BPM bother you!

I have personally witnessed Soldiers take multiple hits to body armor and keep on going!
I have also witnessed Soldiers get scared of the sound of gunfire and run away!

In the end you don’t bring a pistol to a rifle fight if you do good luck!

Even if the plate stopped the round, would the other guy still be on his feet if it was a deer slug at 10 yards or a .300 Win Mag at 100 yards?

 

[Brad69]

Yep
A slug or heavy round is going to knock him or her down break some ribs and stuff!
But he or she might keep fighting after a recovery period? Humans can be unbelievably tough!

 

[KellyinAvon]

I am not really sure I could hang onto the derringer. Not sure I want to try.

When would you need such a weapon? As a riverboat gambler sitting across the table from a bear?

 

[churchmouse]

When would you need such a weapon? As a riverboat gambler sitting across the table from a bear?

Bears are serious poker players man. Serious.

 

[Brad69]

Man what a mental picture !
I see a bear holding cards drinking whiskey.

 

[churchmouse]

Man what a mental picture !
I see a bear holding cards drinking whiskey.

Great poker face yes

 

[KellyinAvon]

Yep
A slug or heavy round is going to knock him or her down break some ribs and stuff!
But he or she might keep fighting after a recovery period? Humans can be unbelievably tough!

This recovery period you speak of... can I have 4-6 weeks? And lots of Percocet?

 

[churchmouse]

This recovery period you speak of... can I have 4-6 weeks? And lots of Percocet?

No....you get adrenaline. Lots of it.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Man what a mental picture !
I see a bear holding cards drinking whiskey.

Wearing a black Stetson and smoking a cigar.

 

[KellyinAvon]

No....you get adrenaline. Lots of it.

OK, but afterwards I'll need 4-6 weeks and lots of Percocet.

 

[churchmouse]

OK, but afterwards I'll need 4-6 weeks and lots of Percocet.

 

[Vigilant]

Man what a mental picture !
I see a bear holding cards drinking whiskey.

You definitely need to stop going to those clubs frequented by all males!

 

[Vigilant]

Shoot through the armor guy hasn’t come back to explain his methodology?

 

[thunderchicken]

Thankfully, I have never been in position to speak firsthand on this issue. However, several years ago a friend was working security at a bar and a fight broke out in the parking lot and my buddy was shot point blank in the chest (don't recall the caliber). His adrenaline carried him through the chaos. But he sustained a couple broken ribs and a cracked sternum. Now his body armor didn't have a trauma plate so that would likely have made a big difference

 

[DoggyDaddy]

When would you need such a weapon? As a riverboat gambler sitting across the table from a bear?

Bears are serious poker players man. Serious.

You know, bears and dogs are related...

 

[Thor]

I am not really sure I could hang onto the derringer. Not sure I want to try.

I regularly shoot my .45-70 lever gun...but I would not even pick that thing up. That would be a surefire trip to the 'please put my hand back together' room. The second barrel is just comedy...like you'd do that again.

 

[hoosierdaddy1976]

I regularly shoot my .45-70 lever gun...but I would not even pick that thing up. That would be a surefire trip to the 'please put my hand back together' room. The second barrel is just comedy...like you'd do that again.

Must be why this one is only a single shot. There are YouTube videos of people shooting this gun, it goes about as well as you'd expect. May be the handgun answer to body armor, though.

 

[Bigtanker]

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