Massad Ayoob says don't release slide on empty chamber.

[Brad69]

Shooter performance during classes.
I can still shoot a few mags of .45 with good results. My Dan Wesson is well a DW and is extremely accurate.

During classes where you are sending 500 rds a day down range, my performance fades quickly with a .45. Due to arthritis and not being as strong as in my youth. I am literally in pain from the recoil.

9mm is much softer recoil and follow up shots are much quicker.
I am a die hard .45 guy not only ACP I also have .45 GAP both a G37&G38 and enough ammo for a life time.

Trust me when several INGO people witnessed me show up with a 9mm they were shocked.

 

[Twangbanger]

Here's probably the key part of the video:

"...Thank you for joining us on the Wilson Combat channel, where we'd like you to subscribe...I must apologize but they're making me do this..."

Mas's retirement job is apparently "Warranty Avoidance Spokesman" for Wilson Combat.

I suspect the "unstated subtext" is:

"...In addition to the people who buy our mega-expensive pistols to fondle (whom we appreciate very, very much), it has come to our attention some of our guns are finding their way into the hands of people who actually take them to matches. The ritual Tactical Teddy "WHACKA-WHACKA-WHACKA!!!" back-and-forth cycling of the slide before stages and the required "unload and show clear" step afterward and have increased broken extractor warranty claims beyond the baseline level normally experienced with our bourbon-sipping rich-fondler clientele. PLEASE. STOP. THIS."

 

[Creedmoor]

Here's probably the key part of the video:

"...Thank you for joining us on the Wilson Combat channel, where we'd like you to subscribe...I must apologize but they're making me do this..."

Mas's retirement job is apparently "Warranty Avoidance Spokesman" for Wilson Combat.

I suspect the "unstated subtext" is:

"...In addition to the people who buy our mega-expensive pistols to fondle (whom we appreciate very, very much), it has come to our attention some of our guns are finding their way into the hands of people who actually take them to matches. The ritual Tactical Teddy "WHACKA-WHACKA-WHACA" back-and-forth cycling of the slide before stages and the required "unload and show clear" step and have increased broken extractor warranty claims beyond the baseline level normally experienced with our rich-fondler clientele. PLEASE. STOP. THIS."

I wonder if Colt has put this in writing in the last 100 plus years?
I just scanned over a 70 series Colt manual I have, and I didn't see anything but letting the slide fly home on its own. Loaded or empty.

 

[warren5421]

Gunny never said a word about it while training young recruits. I don't remember Mr. Browning saying anything about it. If the inventor and a man that carried a 1911 through a war, a police action, and what ever Vietnam is called, did not say anything about dropping the slide why worry about it?

 

[Skip]

Gunny never said a word about it while training young recruits. I don't remember Mr. Browning saying anything about it. If the inventor and a man that carried a 1911 through a war, a police action, and what ever Vietnam is called, did not say anything about dropping the slide why worry about it?

In 1973 I carried one of those 1911’s that they should have junked long before that.
Not sure you could have hurt it any worse than they were at that time.
Dad was in the Corps too. 1950-1969. He shot expert with the pistol but even he had to admit depending on the 1911A1 you picked up, you may have to aim on someone else’s target to hit yours in the right spot. The production models of today are nothing like that junk other than in looks.

 

[edporch]

What Ayoob thinks has no bearing, but I never let an action slam closed on an unloaded firearm.
The idea of metal hammering metal without the cushioning of a round being stripped off the magazine bugs my "anal" instincts.
YMMV

 

[Robert Richardson]

It's kind of like slamming the car door. I don't need to do that either.

 

[Route 45]

Fudd Lore Galore

 

[indiucky]

Daniel Boone: I don't like to let the flint slam down on the frizzen unless I am taking a shot...it shortens the life span of the flint and...

Kit Carson: STFU Fudd...we don't "maintain" flints anymore...we got cap locks on our Hawken rifles now...Why don't you go set some muskrat traps and spin yarns from your front porch gramps....

 

[rugertoter]

I don't even think about that.

 

[Brad69]

I got the answer carry with the chamber empty and only use the slide in a emergency?

I actually had someone ask if he should carry his G($($k with a round in the chamber. He bought it at RK the gun dude said they weren’t safe with a round in the chamber.

 

[indiucky]

 

[Squid556]

Fudd Lore Galore

I came back to this thread to post the exact same video, you beat me to it!!!

 

[GunsNstuff]

I was...

I question the ability of a weapon to hold all that pressure inside, if it can NOT withstand the slide slamming forward under spring pressure.

I agree. Sometimes people forget that things are designed to withstand more abuse than normal use inflicts on it. If a car had to run 6000rpm with the gas to the floor just to do 55mph, that car would not last very long. A cheap 4 cylinder car can do 120mph without too much trouble these days, so running it at 55 or 75 or even 80 isn't pushing the car to it's limits and therefore not wearing it out in a matter of months. This is the same with a drill, with a saw, with a framing hammer, and with a gun. They're actually tested with double pressure loads to make sure they're strong enough to never blow up with regular pressure loads. And the metal is strong enough to handle the slam from the spring pressure pushing the slide closed even when it's empty. They're tested by dropping them from 10 feet up onto concrete and nothing break which would cause it to fire.

Good evidence that they're strong enough is all of the people that have done it for years and don't know what the big deal is because they've never broken their gun by doing it.

 

[MrSmitty]

I went into our bathroom, and turned the lights out, I let my slide go on an empty chamber three times at the same time saying Massad Ayoob 3 times...nothing happened....

 

[bashMOH]

I went into our bathroom, and turned the lights out, I let my slide go on an empty chamber three times at the same time saying Massad Ayoob 3 times...nothing happened....

That's because you have to meow three times

 

[jamil]

I went into our bathroom, and turned the lights out, I let my slide go on an empty chamber three times at the same time saying Massad Ayoob 3 times...nothing happened....

Wait. Did you sling shot it? You're supposed to use the slide release. The words only become enchanted if you use the slide release. Oh. And you have to be sitting on the pot, and facing south. So if you don't have a toilet that faces south, you have to use someone else's.

 

[ditcherman]

Wait. Did you sling shot it? You're supposed to use the slide release. The words only become enchanted if you use the slide release. Oh. And you have to be sitting on the pot, and facing south. So if you don't have a toilet that faces south, you have to use someone else's.

I see you’re Orthodox.

 

[Gabriel]

I keep my guns loaded so I don't have to worry about it.

 

[wtburnette]

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