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"Los rinocerantes"? I'm telling the boss of you.
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Mercop is coming back to Indiana.
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"Los rinocerantes"? I'm telling the boss of you.
downrange72
Grandmaster
Yo diría que las hojas desarrollen costra junto con zumo de rinoceronte
Relatively Ninja
Sharpshooter
I'm interested in attending (if there are still spots open). I would also be down to share a ride and a room if anyone is coming from or passing through the Bloomington area on the way to Linden.
downrange72
Grandmaster
google tranlate helps some...however, it butchered my first response
ColdSteel223
Sharpshooter
Just checking in. I have received no email/list.
Sorry guys. Still digging for some e-mails, so just send me your e-mail to mercop27@gmail.com and it will go out tomorrow so we can put some stuff out. Here is some primer for the class on what we are going to be covering.
So I started bouncing at a pub attached to a country club. I have been there about four weekends. The general manager Chris was the GM of a bar that I worked at previously called Cobblestones, however I never worked with him. But my partner Rich was still there and hired me to bounce. When Chris took over the GM position at Knickers he brought Rich on for security in the summer. At first I thought what problems could there really be at the place. It is a huge complex complete with a hotel, athletic club, Ironwoods which sits above the pub is for fine dining, and an 18 hole golf course. We can facilitate two weddings at once. We are also a popular destination for people attending other weddings locally to come to when the reception is over. The average Saturday night is a mixture of bar regulars, local golfers, stay and play golfers (people staying at the resort from out of town to golf) and folks from 2-3 different weddings, the average cost of which is $80,000. These people are far from your local bar types. The crowd the inside bar as well as a huge patio where we spend most of our time. For the most part these people are spoiled, entitled, and do not like to be told know. The average age of the trouble makers are 30-50 and always have about 4-10 buddies with them.
We always have at least two, and more often three bouncers working. Besides Rich most of the time it is my private training partner John. Most of the time we are able to give people a gentle nudge and just call them a cab or walk them to their rooms. Last Saturday was the most personal violence I have been involved in since leaving the police department in 2007. It is definitely the first time I had to strike someone instead of just restraining or moving them.
Rich and I were standing on the patio at around 0030 when a waitress said that a female bartender Alicia needed us inside. There was a group of stay and plays from out of town who retired cops. There were about 100 of them scattered around the resort. Alicia pointed out one in particular who was giving her a hard time and being disrespectful and rude. Rich told him it was time to go and he was rude and just walked away and back up the bar with some buddies as if to order another drink. He was taller than me so I crowded him so that he could not use his reach to hit me. He was about 6’4 and 220. Probably in his late 40’s. I told him he needed to leave the bar. He said he was not going anywhere so I put my hand on his shoulder and when I did he swung at me with his right hand and was unable to connect because of how close I was. When I pushed into him his buddy tried to punch me over his shoulder. I hit his buddy with a palm heel strike under his right cheekbone and he went right on his ass. Then all hell broke loose. The manager Chris got the original guy in a rear choke and pulled him away as his buddies swarmed us, about six of them. Rich who is about my size got two of them around the head and held them. They were all hitting us with body shots.
I have written several times about staying off the ground. Chris’ “signature” move is the rear choke. When he took the guy down the rest of them took advantage of him being on the ground and were punching and kicking him. In response to this he started letting the guy up and I grabbed ahold of him and attempted the escort that I teach bouncers and police. As we were going out the door he was able to spin around and punch me in the face, more precisely the nose. I could feel the blood gush. I hit him with two fast palm heel strikes in his face. This backed him up but he would not let go of me so I delivered a strike to his achellis tendon with my instep as he tried to pull me to the ground with one hand. This brought his head and drove my right knee into his forehead, this left him crumpled on the ground and resulted in a large gash on his forehead. He was out of the fight and I handed him off to an able bartender and went back into the bar and found Chris and Rich trying to get everyone else out. By that time I could here sirens. With the help of some male wait staff we were able to guide them to the stairs and into the parking lot as the cops pulled in. The guy I was fighting with was now sitting down with his head in his hands with a pool of blooding forming beneath him. Someone got him some ice and with the help of some friends limped up to the parking lot.
His buddies were not very happy with me to say the least and accused me of kicking him when he was on the ground, which I never did. They yelled that they wanted me arrested but were such drunk *******s to the responding officers they just blew them off. My guy needed some stitches for sure but as far as I know he just went to his room.
All in all Chris was happy with how we handled it and so were his bosses. He did say he will not be so fast to take people to the ground from now on. Here are some of the thoughts I would like to share.
First of all I was able to use as little violence as I did because I knew that Rich and Chris had my back. When fighting multiple attackers the WORST thing you can do is grab on and clinch or choke one guy. Both of your hands are tied up and usually high which leaves your torso and exposed to brutal body and kidney shots. But I think the worst part is that it makes your world shrink and takes away visibility. People will naturally take advantage of this and hit you in the back of the head. The saving grace here and against most untrained people is that they will throw hook punches which are easily affected by angle and space. They need room to swing them and if they have to throw them up or down they lose power.
I am an open hand fighter because I need less space. Two examples are the first guy I hit over his shoulder and the two strikes I hit the main guy with. The first one was in the doorway.
Except for taking him out of the fight, choking the guy out of the ground would not have made things any better. We wanted him out of the bar, not laying on the ground. We would have had the same fight with his buddies. You need to have a loose plan of what you are trying to accomplish. In this case were outnumbered at least 6-3. I just wanted to move my guy out of the bar, things changed when I got hit because if I took another one it could render me unconscious and out of the fight. I had three options central nervous system disruption/ destruction, structural system disruption, and Circulatory System (air/blood flow) disruption. A combination of the first two are MCS principles. The two heel strikes to the face had a very visible effect, like hitting control/alt/delete. The foot strike to Achilles tendon brought his head down (structural) and the knee unplugged the computer. As soon as I landed the knee I knew it was over. I knew I had to be quick because I was in front of the door that the rest were going to come out of.
At first I thought my nose was broken but it was just a lot of blood and my breathing is still a little restricted. During my career I have had literally thousands of adrenaline dumps. It took me well over and hour before I felt normal again. It was during that time I realized that when the fight was starting and I was going to help Chris I actually took off my glasses and set them on the bar. Initially I also did not remember delivering the kick that brought his head down.
As usual principle based gross motor skills were more valuable than techniques.
So I started bouncing at a pub attached to a country club. I have been there about four weekends. The general manager Chris was the GM of a bar that I worked at previously called Cobblestones, however I never worked with him. But my partner Rich was still there and hired me to bounce. When Chris took over the GM position at Knickers he brought Rich on for security in the summer. At first I thought what problems could there really be at the place. It is a huge complex complete with a hotel, athletic club, Ironwoods which sits above the pub is for fine dining, and an 18 hole golf course. We can facilitate two weddings at once. We are also a popular destination for people attending other weddings locally to come to when the reception is over. The average Saturday night is a mixture of bar regulars, local golfers, stay and play golfers (people staying at the resort from out of town to golf) and folks from 2-3 different weddings, the average cost of which is $80,000. These people are far from your local bar types. The crowd the inside bar as well as a huge patio where we spend most of our time. For the most part these people are spoiled, entitled, and do not like to be told know. The average age of the trouble makers are 30-50 and always have about 4-10 buddies with them.
We always have at least two, and more often three bouncers working. Besides Rich most of the time it is my private training partner John. Most of the time we are able to give people a gentle nudge and just call them a cab or walk them to their rooms. Last Saturday was the most personal violence I have been involved in since leaving the police department in 2007. It is definitely the first time I had to strike someone instead of just restraining or moving them.
Rich and I were standing on the patio at around 0030 when a waitress said that a female bartender Alicia needed us inside. There was a group of stay and plays from out of town who retired cops. There were about 100 of them scattered around the resort. Alicia pointed out one in particular who was giving her a hard time and being disrespectful and rude. Rich told him it was time to go and he was rude and just walked away and back up the bar with some buddies as if to order another drink. He was taller than me so I crowded him so that he could not use his reach to hit me. He was about 6’4 and 220. Probably in his late 40’s. I told him he needed to leave the bar. He said he was not going anywhere so I put my hand on his shoulder and when I did he swung at me with his right hand and was unable to connect because of how close I was. When I pushed into him his buddy tried to punch me over his shoulder. I hit his buddy with a palm heel strike under his right cheekbone and he went right on his ass. Then all hell broke loose. The manager Chris got the original guy in a rear choke and pulled him away as his buddies swarmed us, about six of them. Rich who is about my size got two of them around the head and held them. They were all hitting us with body shots.
I have written several times about staying off the ground. Chris’ “signature” move is the rear choke. When he took the guy down the rest of them took advantage of him being on the ground and were punching and kicking him. In response to this he started letting the guy up and I grabbed ahold of him and attempted the escort that I teach bouncers and police. As we were going out the door he was able to spin around and punch me in the face, more precisely the nose. I could feel the blood gush. I hit him with two fast palm heel strikes in his face. This backed him up but he would not let go of me so I delivered a strike to his achellis tendon with my instep as he tried to pull me to the ground with one hand. This brought his head and drove my right knee into his forehead, this left him crumpled on the ground and resulted in a large gash on his forehead. He was out of the fight and I handed him off to an able bartender and went back into the bar and found Chris and Rich trying to get everyone else out. By that time I could here sirens. With the help of some male wait staff we were able to guide them to the stairs and into the parking lot as the cops pulled in. The guy I was fighting with was now sitting down with his head in his hands with a pool of blooding forming beneath him. Someone got him some ice and with the help of some friends limped up to the parking lot.
His buddies were not very happy with me to say the least and accused me of kicking him when he was on the ground, which I never did. They yelled that they wanted me arrested but were such drunk *******s to the responding officers they just blew them off. My guy needed some stitches for sure but as far as I know he just went to his room.
All in all Chris was happy with how we handled it and so were his bosses. He did say he will not be so fast to take people to the ground from now on. Here are some of the thoughts I would like to share.
First of all I was able to use as little violence as I did because I knew that Rich and Chris had my back. When fighting multiple attackers the WORST thing you can do is grab on and clinch or choke one guy. Both of your hands are tied up and usually high which leaves your torso and exposed to brutal body and kidney shots. But I think the worst part is that it makes your world shrink and takes away visibility. People will naturally take advantage of this and hit you in the back of the head. The saving grace here and against most untrained people is that they will throw hook punches which are easily affected by angle and space. They need room to swing them and if they have to throw them up or down they lose power.
I am an open hand fighter because I need less space. Two examples are the first guy I hit over his shoulder and the two strikes I hit the main guy with. The first one was in the doorway.
Except for taking him out of the fight, choking the guy out of the ground would not have made things any better. We wanted him out of the bar, not laying on the ground. We would have had the same fight with his buddies. You need to have a loose plan of what you are trying to accomplish. In this case were outnumbered at least 6-3. I just wanted to move my guy out of the bar, things changed when I got hit because if I took another one it could render me unconscious and out of the fight. I had three options central nervous system disruption/ destruction, structural system disruption, and Circulatory System (air/blood flow) disruption. A combination of the first two are MCS principles. The two heel strikes to the face had a very visible effect, like hitting control/alt/delete. The foot strike to Achilles tendon brought his head down (structural) and the knee unplugged the computer. As soon as I landed the knee I knew it was over. I knew I had to be quick because I was in front of the door that the rest were going to come out of.
At first I thought my nose was broken but it was just a lot of blood and my breathing is still a little restricted. During my career I have had literally thousands of adrenaline dumps. It took me well over and hour before I felt normal again. It was during that time I realized that when the fight was starting and I was going to help Chris I actually took off my glasses and set them on the bar. Initially I also did not remember delivering the kick that brought his head down.
As usual principle based gross motor skills were more valuable than techniques.
ColdSteel223
Sharpshooter
Cool, Email sent.
I did (the equipment list email).
ColdSteel223
Sharpshooter
I got it.
From what I gathered talking to George the eyepro is not mandatory. He wears sunglasses. I would imagine it is mostly for the airsoft, but maybe so people like me don't scratch eyes out in a FoF scenario.
Maybe I should wear a full cover motorcycle helmet.... or just my regular old safety glasses that I use anyhow.
Now I wonder if I should grab one of the CO2 airsoft replicas of my EDC. Just don't know if they are worth it, even from wallyworld.
Anybody have input here?
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