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Mexican flag flown over American flag...i don't think so
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I get that.The point I made (not sure if I was clear) is that you have two possible reasons behind the improper display of a flag.
The one you stated, the will of showing dominance over another flag (and therefore country); and the ignorance of the proper rules without ill intent.
That vet just decided to steal their property without even talking to the owner about proper flag etiquette.
If they wouldn't violate other people's rights because they are personally offended, they aren't snowflakes.
I have more faith in people than to assume that being offended, justifies, in their minds, imposing their view on others.
This one guy? Not so much.
Sorry Sylvain,I apologise.I do not think that generation would agree with you.Iwas just making the point that we have gone soft on the flag in the last 25 years.I remember in the 70's,my vet grandpa Told a neighbor kid to go take a flag patch off his rear pocket.He said the should not be on his aas.He apologized,went home and changed his pants.Now days the kid would probably attack him.I must be a snowflake.I think the owner was taking his chances expressing his freedom,which the vet gave him.Sorry,<br>
I side with the vet.
I side with the vet.
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I wonder if the business owner was intentionally imposing his view on others?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for respecting the flag and I have great respect for vets in general.
I just don't think there should be a law forcing you to display a flag a certain way (and there is not).
It's no illegal to display your flag improperly.Just like it's not illegal to burn it if you want (as long as you own the flag you burn).
It's all covered under the First Amendment so I can't support a vet for violating someone's freedom of speech and for stealing someone's property.
The fact that you served doesn't give you the right to break the law and unfringe upon other people's right.
I would side with the vet if he used other methods to get the owner to properly display his flag.
Did I miss the part where the business owner was forcing people through his door or to look at his ill advised flag display?
Freedom means people get to make stupid display, but that does not justify theft.
We can all be highly offended if we want to. That does not give us special rights. One month ago, an Army honor guard folded the flag from my father's casket and handed it to my mother. I served under the flag as well. I despise the attitude of those in this country who are disloyal, but I will not condone the violation of their right of free expression and to ownership of personal property simply because they people choose to be idiots. Until they encroach upon another's safety or freedom, there is no justification to act out in this fashion.
My condolences on the loss of your father, and thanks to you both for your service.
Guys, he's right. The simple fact is that one wrong act does not justify another, especially when the latter is a violation of law and the former is simple ignorance.
For my part, seeing the flags displayed that way would cause me to take my business elsewhere. I might or might not call them to tell them why. (probably would)
Others choose their responses and may do so, with the awareness that actions have consequences. Committing a crime, such as taking the property of another and/or destroying that property, or injuring the owner of that property, all have penalties spelled out in the law. Flying the flag incorrectly, as Hough pointed out, does not.
I don't like what they did. My lawful response is to voice my objection and take my business elsewhere. That's it. Don't have to like it, just can't commit battery or theft to stop it.
Blessings,
Bill
Guys, he's right. The simple fact is that one wrong act does not justify another, especially when the latter is a violation of law and the former is simple ignorance.
For my part, seeing the flags displayed that way would cause me to take my business elsewhere. I might or might not call them to tell them why. (probably would)
Others choose their responses and may do so, with the awareness that actions have consequences. Committing a crime, such as taking the property of another and/or destroying that property, or injuring the owner of that property, all have penalties spelled out in the law. Flying the flag incorrectly, as Hough pointed out, does not.
I don't like what they did. My lawful response is to voice my objection and take my business elsewhere. That's it. Don't have to like it, just can't commit battery or theft to stop it.
Blessings,
Bill
People don't have a right not to be offended. We say that on INGO many times. People have a right not to get their stuff stolen. We say that on INGO all the time too. Those are simple concepts that we all seem to get. At least when we're talking about others. But when someone does something that violates our own moral code, OMG, let's **** 'em up boys! We justify all sorts of things to punish people for using their free speech in ways that insult us. When we do that we're no better than the snowflakes.
Regardless what you do, that person is going to think the way they think, anyway. Stealing their stuff isn't going to make them respect the flag as much as you do. Or punching them in the face. You have no right to impose your own punishments on people who don't follow your moral code. It's not up to you to take someone else's property just because they're using it offensively. YOU can only make you follow your moral code. However, you can certainly use your free speech to tell them what you think.
I'm soooo considering using this as a tag line...
Of course this snowflake was well equipped and didn't need to yell, "I need some muscle over here!"
Just think about how better things could have been had he just sat down and explained things over tacos? Tacos make everything better!
EDIT: On second thought, this guy's not a snowflake.
Snowflakes are people that think they're so highly unique and individualized that they can do and have anything and deserve utmost praise even for their banal accomplishments. Others must adapt and cater to their whims. Their feelings about their self-worth come first. He believes in something greater and more important than him as an individual; he ascribes to American values of holding the flag in high regards (so do most).
I don't want to muddle up that term by misapplying it.
Unfortunate for all, this guy has a set of values that he believes allows him to act like a bully to enforce those values; just like Melissa Click.
He's got the right idea (flag code), wrong actions.
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The Bubba Effect
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Private property.
hog slayer
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Well said
While personally, I don't disagree on either point, from a legal perspective I have to acknowledge the 1A right of anyone to fly whatever flag they wish.
Additionally, remember that English has only one claim to preference here, and that is majority, which is to say that for now, the majority of people in the US do currently speak English. There is no law, no precedent to say that English is our "national language". I say all that to ask if, when the numbers turn around (however near or far that date may be) will you be so keen to the counter: "...if you live in this country, learn Spanish/Mandarin/Russian."?
Blessings,
Bill
And with this semi-xenophobic post, you've made your 50. What'cha buyin'? (PM'ing right now)
Anywho, what if I fly a German and Italian flag on F1 race days?
