Missouri Democrat Senator Hopes for Trump Assassination

[jamil]

First, Marxists, and we're talking Karl Marx aren't anything like Nazis. If you've read any of Marx, he would not have been happy with any of the nations that held up his name.
Who does Antifa hold up as whom they want to mimic? The Nazis hold up Hitler. Does Antifa, celebrate the actions of Mao, Stalin, Minh, Castro? Show me such. Fascism and Socialism/Communism are umbrella terms for ideologies. Nazism is a subset of Fascism (the Spanish weren't Nazis). A very specific murderous subset. I can think of no "good" nation that has taken elements unique to Nazism, and implemented the into their system. Can you? Conversely, I can think of numerous nations that to some degree have communist or socialist leanings, and aren't murderous. You're comparing apple to oranges, until you can specifically point out the ideologies that antifa adheres that are comparable to Nazism. I have yet, not seen any.

Yes. Antifa upholds the values of those murders, just like today's Nazis do theirs. You're making it easier and easier to wonder if you're rationalizing away the deeds of an organization every bit as dangerous as Nazis.

Nazi was a political party. CPSU was too. So the **** what? Two sides of the same coin. They both murdered millions of people. There is no way a non-ideologue can rationalize that one is any more favorable or less aberrant than the other. They're BOTH fascists. Stop favoring the fascists in your tribe.

 

[AmmoManAaron]

And to clarify why the MSM is in a lather over what Trump said:

 

[foszoe]

It's the 1st Amendment that deserves a fair shake. Isn't free speech why the ACLU defended their right to get a permit to rally?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/aclu-c...with-firearms-1503010167?mg=prod/accounts-wsj

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-virginia-protests-aclu-idUSKCN1AY06L

 

[Expat]

Yes. Antifa upholds the values of those murders, just like today's Nazis do theirs. You're making it easier and easier to wonder if you're rationalizing away the deeds of an organization every bit as dangerous as Nazis.

Nazi was a political party. CPSU was too. So the **** what? Two sides of the same coin. They both murdered millions of people. There is no way a non-ideologue can rationalize that one is any more favorable or less aberrant than the other. They're BOTH fascists. Stop favoring the fascists in your tribe.

I think you are missing the point. Killing tens of millions of people for the right reason is regretful but understandable.

 

[Denny347]

I don't think a vocabulary correction qualifies as a Denny Event, so I'm not guilty of Dennying the Denny. I hope.

Meh

 

[Denny347]

The senator is getting a visit from the USSS according to the news. I doubt much will come of it, same as any other low risk threat they investigate.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Yes. Antifa upholds the values of those murders, just like today's Nazis do theirs. You're making it easier and easier to wonder if you're rationalizing away the deeds of an organization every bit as dangerous as Nazis.

Nazi was a political party. CPSU was too. So the **** what? Two sides of the same coin. They both murdered millions of people. There is no way a non-ideologue can rationalize that one is any more favorable or less aberrant than the other. They're BOTH fascists. Stop favoring the fascists in your tribe.

SHOW me.

 

[Denny347]

Indeed, Antifa, formerly known as Black Bloc, are destructive anti-government anarchists. As a group, they are relatively small in numbers and are primarily property crime focused (bad enough, don't get me wrong) and battery. White supremacists have been FAR more deadly when it comes to their belief systems and quite frankly sit higher on my list of violent groups than Antifas. Much higher. Was the poor girl that was killed in VA an Antifa? Looking at the video, I didn't see anyone in that crowd wearing the garb where the car drove. Maybe I missed them.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Indeed, Antifa, formerly known as Black Bloc, are destructive anti-government anarchists. As a group, they are relatively small in numbers and are primarily property crime focused (bad enough, don't get me wrong) and battery. White supremacists have been FAR more deadly when it comes to their belief systems and quite frankly sit higher on my list of violent groups than Antifas. Much higher. Was the poor girl that was killed in VA an Antifa? Looking at the video, I didn't see anyone in that crowd wearing the garb where the car drove. Maybe I missed them.

Antifa is indeed violent. And I don't support their violence. And like you said, you consider White Supremacist the more deadly. Not that makes a difference concerning Antifa, because in theory they could kill you dead too. What people getting, is that there isn't a moral equivalency between the two opposing sides present at Charlottesville. The "pro-statue" folks were ALL white nationalists. Their ideals are clear. The "anti-statue" folks weren't all Antifa, bad actors. Antifa made up a very small part of the counter-protesters. The president could have mad that clear. It would have been simple.... but he didn't.

 

[Birds Away]

That's like saying one is a murderer and one is a rapist so we'll give the rapist a pass because his crime pales when compared to murder.

 

[Birds Away]

Antifa is indeed violent. And I don't support their violence. And like you said, you consider White Supremacist the more deadly. Not that makes a difference concerning Antifa, because in theory they could kill you dead too. What people getting, is that there isn't a moral equivalency between the two opposing sides present at Charlottesville. The "pro-statue" folks were ALL white nationalists. Their ideals are clear. The "anti-statue" folks weren't all Antifa, bad actors. Antifa made up a very small part of the counter-protesters. The president could have mad that clear. It would have been simple.... but he didn't.

What information do you have that all of the "pro-statue" folks were white nationalists? Because I am hearing conflicting information on this.

Disclaimer: I don't support Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists or, for that matter, those statues. I do support the 1st Amendment and people's right to peacefully assemble and voice their opinion however repugnant to me it might be.
I do not support violence in the streets.

 

[Denny347]

What information do you have that all of the "pro-statue" folks were white nationalists? Because I am hearing conflicting information on this.

Disclaimer: I don't support Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists or, for that matter, those statues. I do support the 1st Amendment and people's right to peacefully assemble and voice their opinion however repugnant to me it might be.
I do not support violence in the streets.

Who in their right mind would attend a white nationalist coordinated and advertised event, even if they were there to demonstrate on a common cause? Would anyone here have marched with them solely because they believed the statues should stay?

 

[Denny347]

So, they decided to attend the advertised rally, "Unite the Right." organized by White Nationalist Jason Kessler and don't want to be associated with racists? How does that work? So they are not racists, just complete morons? I understand wanting to protest the removal of these statues, I really do. But either pick a different location or same location but different time. DON'T choose to protest WITH white supremacists if you don't want to be associated with them. It's a laughable argument really. As far as the Antifa's, they are pieces of crap as well. However, the WS actions overshadowed the Antifa's with the homicide and effectively rendered their behavior moot.

From an earlier post.

 

[Kutnupe14]

What information do you have that all of the "pro-statue" folks were white nationalists? Because I am hearing conflicting information on this.

Disclaimer: I don't support Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists or, for that matter, those statues. I do support the 1st Amendment and people's right to peacefully assemble and voice their opinion however repugnant to me it might be.
I do not support violence in the streets.

Pretty much what Denny said. What conflicting reports are you hearing?

 

[Birds Away]

Who in their right mind would attend a white nationalist coordinated and advertised event, even if they were there to demonstrate on a common cause? Would anyone here have marched with them solely because they believed the statues should stay?

I wouldn't march to retain those statues under any circumstances. But it doesn't mean that no one would.

 

[Denny347]

That's like saying one is a murderer and one is a rapist so we'll give the rapist a pass because his crime pales when compared to murder.

No pass, however, the white supremacist murdering a woman and injuring others kinda overshadows whatever else was going on.

 

[Denny347]

I wouldn't march to retain those statues under any circumstances. But it doesn't mean that no one would.

They would choose to attend the "Unite the Right" rally to support the same "cause" but would not want to be associated with white nationalists? Seems laughable.

 

[Birds Away]

Pretty much what Denny said. What conflicting reports are you hearing?

I have seen social media posts from groups, fully integrated groups, who attended the rally in support of retaining the statues. I find it a little hard to believe that so many people of color are white supremacists.

 

[Birds Away]

They would choose to attend the "Unite the Right" rally to support the same "cause" but would not want to be associated with white nationalists? Seems laughable.

I see things on TV every day that are beyond head scratchers. Many of these things are from people who very obviously believe they are the elite.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I wouldn't march to retain those statues under any circumstances. But it doesn't mean that no one would.

So they just whispered to themselves "it's for a good cause, it's for a good cause," as they marched next to bigots chanting "Jews will not replace us?"