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- Oct 3, 2012
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I'm pretty certain that no one has discussed payment for anything.
Where is this coming from?
You've got to take the class to get the geegaw, don't you?
I'm pretty certain that no one has discussed payment for anything.
Where is this coming from?
If he delivers on the promise what is the problem?
You've got to take the class to get the geegaw, don't you?
Only if I want the geegaw, I don't . I wouldn't mind owning some of the skill it represents though.
I would probably take the class on its own merits without the shot at a geegaw if the opportunity presents itself.
I've attended your class and gotten quite a bit out of it, I will again when the schedules line up.
I still don't understand how his comment is remotely relevant.
You don't have to take the class. You just need to do it in front of me to get the patch. Fortunately or unfortunately, the two usually coincide.
That said, my classes are filling fine without the standard/geegaw. It is interesting how many people are giving it a whirl and discovering things about their shooting and getting better.
Whether or not these standards appeal to you or the patch is a worthy endeavor, that is solely up to the individual.
I have shot a number of red dot pistols, but never considered one as an EDC due to durability and size concerns as well as my hatred for how they have been marketed. What do you see as the practical pros and cons?
You don't have to take the class. You just need to do it in front of me to get the patch. Fortunately or unfortunately, the two usually coincide.
Not Scott, but I carry a Roland Special as my off-duty gun. I've run it through multiple classes, including Rogers Shooting School, Rangemaster Advanced Instructor, a couple Pat McNamara classes, a Frank Proctor class, and a few others. Currently sitting on just under 20k through the gun. There is definitely a learning curve to them, but I am not seeing any loss of speed between the dot and no-dot guns I'm running. Advantages to the dot, for me:
1. Reliable accuracy out to 100+ yds
2. Much easier to make hits while moving, or when shooting at moving targets ("easier" may not be the best word..."forgiving," maybe?)
3. Feels like cheating in low, or no light (under NVG's)
4. One-handed manipulation is easier
5. More accurate when shooting from non-standard positions.
Advantages usually not mentioned:
1. For me, acquiring the dot is all about the draw. Because of this, my draw with all other guns is much cleaner.
2. The dot shows you every tiny movement you impart to the gun - my trigger press, grip, and follow-through have all improved noticeably since starting to shoot a dot - this translates to all handguns.
Well, thumbs up for that. IIRC, you showed up on PF shortly after getting your FAST coin. I guess TLG may have started the notion in the industry, but I could be missing someone who did it before him. Like I said earlier, if it gets people to train it's probably not a bad thing. Anyway, good luck with the RDS training. I think it's the future of handguns, and probably in my future as well. I'm just not ready to commit to one yet. As the technology improves (the new Aimpoint looks interesting) I start inching that way, though.
Agree with all these. In addition, 1 focal plane + threat focus equals more aiming efficiencies. It may also reduce MOF (mistake of fact) shootings.
The RMR version 2 seems to be nearly negating durability concerns. The tech will only improve as time goes on. That said, I have seen more front sights fall off this year than RDS fail.
Agree with all these. In addition, 1 focal plane + threat focus equals more aiming efficiencies. It may also reduce MOF (mistake of fact) shootings.
The RMR version 2 seems to be nearly negating durability concerns. The tech will only improve as time goes on. That said, I have seen more front sights fall off this year than RDS fail.
Agree with all these. In addition, 1 focal plane + threat focus equals more aiming efficiencies. It may also reduce MOF (mistake of fact) shootings.
The RMR version 2 seems to be nearly negating durability concerns. The tech will only improve as time goes on. That said, I have seen more front sights fall off this year than RDS fail.
Ok, that’s a good number of pros, what are the cons?
What is the ballpark on a Rmr 2 installed including milling?
So I have been carrying and training with one for almost ten years as a reference point. As I mentioned I have trained with Asian Jedi and many others. I don't quite agree with all of the pros, most notably number 2 (well the shooting on the move part). Main cons are the initial learning curve of picking up the dot, especially one handed, cost, performance under extreme weather conditions. The first can be overcome with proper training. The last will eventually be ironed out with new tech, and the middle only matters to some people.