new Arfcom AR15 tier chart

[Bugzilla]

I'd like to see it proven by a non prove it bias funded by a person with a lot of money who would supply everything could afford it

FIFY

 

[johntheplinker]

I are a poor. Like I need a chart to tell me that.

 

[tcecil88]

According to the chart, I have stuff ranging from destitute to mid-tier A. Doesn't matter much, all my guns shoot good and I enjoy them all.

 

[Tactically Fat]

In-spec is in-spec.

The more $ you spend, the higher the liklihood of everything being in-spec. Probably better stated, the cheaper the product, the higher the liklihood of something not being in spec. This holds true with many kinds of products.

 

[Expat]

Whenever I hear "just as good" I usually stop listening. My RIA is just as good as your Nighthawk/WC. My no name china optic is just as good as your Trijicon/Aimpoint...

 

[Destro]

In-spec is in-spec.

This.

I always look for products that follow the TDP. If they deviate, why? Sometimes it is performance, sometimes it is cost.

I have noticed that the lower the price, the less information typically available about the build and materials. Why not be proud of what you build and sell? Makes you think..

 

[Brad69]

All I have is SIG ! Does that make me better than most of you people?

 

[ditcherman]

All I have is SIG ! Does that make me better than most of you people?

Larry Vickers says “no”.

 

[KG1]

Seems like we've been down this road before. Looks awfully familiar.

 

[Dingleberry]

This.

I always look for products that follow the TDP. If they deviate, why? Sometimes it is performance, sometimes it is cost.

I have noticed that the lower the price, the less information typically available about the build and materials. Why not be proud of what you build and sell? Makes you think..

I had a Colt 6920 several years back that was a disaster and they OWN the TDP right.
Build or have built with quality components and you'll likely always come ahead. Haven't had a factory built rifle for years.

 

[Dingleberry]

Folks are often really proud of their expensive stuff.

Right, people seem to forget that the U.S. was run out of Viet nam and Afghanistan by peasants with hodge podge com bloc arms made in shacks. Our expensive equipment is currently being sold at a Kandahar yard sale as I type.

 

[pmbiker]

Right, people seem to forget that the U.S. was run out of Viet nam and Afghanistan by peasants with hodge podge com bloc arms made in shacks. Our expensive equipment is currently being sold at a Kandahar yard sale as I type.

Were those both hardware issues or bureaucratic/political software issues?

 

[Dingleberry]

Were those both hardware issues or bureaucratic/political software issues?

Absolutely the fault of the political prostitutes but you understand my point?

 

[pmbiker]

Absolutely the fault of the political prostitutes but you understand my point?

I do.

 

[Brad69]

Larry Vickers says “no”.

Yeah he really didn’t seem to care for my MCX or your pistol!

 

[ditcherman]

Yeah he really didn’t seem to care for my MCX or your pistol!

“What in the h*ll did the gun store clerk have to say to get you to buy THAT?!?”
-LAV, about a FN FNX45 Tac, yelled across the line, class ready to go.

 

[Airtevron1]

it all has to do with the emblem on the lower

 

[DDadams]

it all has to do with the emblem on the lower

I used to think this but after buying a few of the Gucci brand things I realized *personally* it just comes down to the barrel, trigger, and muzzle device. At least for me.

I'll still be buying more V Seven products but with how good Aero Precisions quality is I don't get why I spend 3-5x the price anymore.

Just my .02 - which is probably worth less than a third of a cent in all actuality, and the adjusted for inflation I'd probably sell it for a hundredth of a cent and that'd be a good deal for my opinion.

 

[Tactically Fat]

to add in upon "in spec is in spec"

If in spec, then it becomes about looks and features that are above/beyond TDP. And yes, I do realize that going above/beyond TDP spec basically kind of takes them out of the TDP to begin with.

I'll say it again - the higher the cost (with SOME brands) - the less liklihood of there being any kind of QC issue. Especially on a complete rifle. Hodge - don't they virtually guarantee flawlessnes? On the pistol side of things, Chambers Customs fires at least 250 rounds out of their pistols before they ship them out. AND the finish-ream their chambers. Who else does that? But...you pay for that.

Anyhow, I digress.

And we absolutely cannot leave out paying for the brand. There are plenty of people who pay for names. in MY opinion, certain brands aren't worth paying for...yet. But only because I don't have $400 to drop on a lower. I'm firmly in BCM / Aero territory. Heck - white label armory is good for me (they OEM for several other brands). But, I will say that a $999 16" SOLGW I saw yesterday was tempting. I don't know why though. I don't shoot the ones I currently have.

It all comes down to the level of risk we're willing to take with certain brands. There's a way higher risk involved in buying Anderson and PSA than there is with S&W, Colt, & Sig, for example. And there's even less risk with SOLGW, BCM, LMT, etc. And there's almost zero risk with something like a Hodge.

 

[xwing]

According to that chart, I am poor. Oh well. I'm happy with the firearms I have.