ThrottleJockey
Shooter
Actually, long gun sales to out of state residents are okay provided there is an agreement between the states. I bought a CX4 in West Virginia at Cabelas and I am a resident of MN.
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No sale to military?
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I get mobilized to Ft. Benning quite often which isn't even a PCS move but as long as my orders are for over 365 days I can buy handguns and longguns. All I need are a copy of my orders and IN DL. They also have me annotate my current GA residence. If you have orders than your DL state doesn't matter. Around Benning or other military posts the gun shops are just more used to selling to soldiers than Indianapolis dealers I would guess.
Heck, Dont sweat it and just move on to another vendor. Lots of vendors are private sellers and really dont know the Laws specific to military or anything sometimes. I have been a FFL Dealer and gave that up 10 year ago. Now i just do private sales and I have heard some crazy things out of Dealers and Privat vendors over the years. Lots of both dont bother to stay up on the laws.
So , if they sy they cant sell to you, then i would just move on and figure what I just said.
The way they keep changing everything at the Federal level as far as BATFE, its a wonder anyone knows what the rules are. Thats why I got out of being a FFL,because during the Clinton years I recieved letters of cahnges more than I sold guns.
So , if they sy they cant sell to you, then i would just move on and figure what I just said.
The way they keep changing everything at the Federal level as far as BATFE, its a wonder anyone knows what the rules are. Thats why I got out of being a FFL,because during the Clinton years I recieved letters of cahnges more than I sold guns.
ThrottleJockey
Shooter
I have a friend in MN that let his ffl slide for that exact same reason. Sort of makes me rethink my intentions of getting a C&R.
8th SPS USAF
Expert
No sale
In the 70's I was stationed in NE. I had Indiana Dr lic and bought
several guns with no problems. I also worked in a gun shop and sold
them also.
In the 70's I was stationed in NE. I had Indiana Dr lic and bought
several guns with no problems. I also worked in a gun shop and sold
them also.
1911Shooter
Sharpshooter
My friend is also in the service and I know for a fact he has purchase multiple firearms in several states and also overseas and he has never been questioned about it.
c&R
my son has a C&R and he doesn't get the hassels that a FFL does.
So go ahead and get one if you want to keep detailed records and have to log in acqusitions and dispositions. Read all about it before you commit to the lic.
my son has a C&R and he doesn't get the hassels that a FFL does.
So go ahead and get one if you want to keep detailed records and have to log in acqusitions and dispositions. Read all about it before you commit to the lic.
harleyindys
Marksman
C&R License doesn't allow you to sell firearms as a bussiness,only collect
The principal advantage of a Collector's License, therefore, is that a collector can acquire curios or relics in interstate
commerce. Although a licensed collector may acquire and dispose of curios or relics at any location, dispositions to
nonlicensees must generally be made to residents of the same State in which the collector is licensed. Further, A
LICENSED COLLECTOR IS NOT AUTHORIZED TO ENGAGE IN BUSINESS AS A DEALER IN ANY
FIREARMS, INCLUDING CURIOS OR RELICS. A FEDERAL FIREARMS DEALER'S LICENSE IS
REQUIRED FOR THIS ACTIVITY. The term “engaged in business” as applied to a dealer in firearms refers, in
part, to a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to engaging in such activity as a regular course of trade or
business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit. Therefore, any person intending to “engage in the
business” of selling firearms, including firearms defined by ATF as Curios or Relics, must first obtain a dealer’s license.
For example, if a collector acquires curios or relics for the purpose of sale rather than to enhance a collection, the
collector would have to be licensed as a dealer in firearms under the GCA. The sole intent and purpose of the
collector’s license is to enable a firearms collector to obtain curio or relic firearms from outside his or her State
of residence.
The principal advantage of a Collector's License, therefore, is that a collector can acquire curios or relics in interstate
commerce. Although a licensed collector may acquire and dispose of curios or relics at any location, dispositions to
nonlicensees must generally be made to residents of the same State in which the collector is licensed. Further, A
LICENSED COLLECTOR IS NOT AUTHORIZED TO ENGAGE IN BUSINESS AS A DEALER IN ANY
FIREARMS, INCLUDING CURIOS OR RELICS. A FEDERAL FIREARMS DEALER'S LICENSE IS
REQUIRED FOR THIS ACTIVITY. The term “engaged in business” as applied to a dealer in firearms refers, in
part, to a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to engaging in such activity as a regular course of trade or
business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit. Therefore, any person intending to “engage in the
business” of selling firearms, including firearms defined by ATF as Curios or Relics, must first obtain a dealer’s license.
For example, if a collector acquires curios or relics for the purpose of sale rather than to enhance a collection, the
collector would have to be licensed as a dealer in firearms under the GCA. The sole intent and purpose of the
collector’s license is to enable a firearms collector to obtain curio or relic firearms from outside his or her State
of residence.
SALES TO MILITARY PERSONNEL –
RESIDENCY VERIFICATION
ATF has been asked to clarify how and when a
license dealer may sell a firearm to someone who is
on active duty with the Armed Forces. In
particular, how does the licensee verify that the
military person is a resident of their State and
therefore entitled to purchase a firearm? An active
duty member of the Armed Forces may have
more than one State of residence. The Gun
Control Act (GCA) provides that a member of
the Armed Forces on active duty is a resident of
the State in which his or her permanent duty station
is located. However, the GCA’s general definition
of State of residence may also apply to some
active duty members. The general definition of
State of residence is the State in which an individual
resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she
is present in a State with an intention of making a
home in the State. If a member of the Armed
Forces maintains a home in one State and the
member’s permanent duty station is in a nearby
State to which he or she commutes each day, then
the member is considered a resident of both the
State in which his or her duty station is located and
the State in which his or her home is maintained,
and he or she may purchase a firearm in either
State.
As directed by the instructions contained in the
Firearms Transaction Record, ATF Form 4473,
any member of the Armed Forces on active duty
acquiring a firearm in the State where his or her
permanent duty station is located who does not
reside at his or her permanent duty station, must
list both his or her permanent duty station address
and his or her residence address in response to
Question 2. Further, in situations where the
transferee is an active duty military member
acquiring a firearm where his or her duty station is
located, but he or she has a driver’s license from
another State, you should list the transferee’s
military identification card and official orders
showing where his or her permanent duty station is
located in response to Question 18a.
Here are some examples:
Andrews Air Force Base is located in Maryland. A
member of the Armed Forces stationed at
Andrews Air Force Base who resides in Virginia,
but commutes to work at Andrews Air Force Base
would be considered to be a resident of both
Virginia and Maryland. However, a member
stationed at Andrews who resides in Maryland
would be considered only to be a resident of
Maryland.
The Ft. Campbell Army Base is physically located
in two States; part of the base is located in
Kentucky and part of the base is located in
Tennessee. Given this unusual fact, under the
GCA, a member of the Armed Forces who is
stationed at Ft. Campbell Army Base would be
considered a resident of both Kentucky and
Tennessee regardless of the State in which the
member maintained his or her residence.
FFL Newsletter -August 2004
RESIDENCY VERIFICATION
ATF has been asked to clarify how and when a
license dealer may sell a firearm to someone who is
on active duty with the Armed Forces. In
particular, how does the licensee verify that the
military person is a resident of their State and
therefore entitled to purchase a firearm? An active
duty member of the Armed Forces may have
more than one State of residence. The Gun
Control Act (GCA) provides that a member of
the Armed Forces on active duty is a resident of
the State in which his or her permanent duty station
is located. However, the GCA’s general definition
of State of residence may also apply to some
active duty members. The general definition of
State of residence is the State in which an individual
resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she
is present in a State with an intention of making a
home in the State. If a member of the Armed
Forces maintains a home in one State and the
member’s permanent duty station is in a nearby
State to which he or she commutes each day, then
the member is considered a resident of both the
State in which his or her duty station is located and
the State in which his or her home is maintained,
and he or she may purchase a firearm in either
State.
As directed by the instructions contained in the
Firearms Transaction Record, ATF Form 4473,
any member of the Armed Forces on active duty
acquiring a firearm in the State where his or her
permanent duty station is located who does not
reside at his or her permanent duty station, must
list both his or her permanent duty station address
and his or her residence address in response to
Question 2. Further, in situations where the
transferee is an active duty military member
acquiring a firearm where his or her duty station is
located, but he or she has a driver’s license from
another State, you should list the transferee’s
military identification card and official orders
showing where his or her permanent duty station is
located in response to Question 18a.
Here are some examples:
Andrews Air Force Base is located in Maryland. A
member of the Armed Forces stationed at
Andrews Air Force Base who resides in Virginia,
but commutes to work at Andrews Air Force Base
would be considered to be a resident of both
Virginia and Maryland. However, a member
stationed at Andrews who resides in Maryland
would be considered only to be a resident of
Maryland.
The Ft. Campbell Army Base is physically located
in two States; part of the base is located in
Kentucky and part of the base is located in
Tennessee. Given this unusual fact, under the
GCA, a member of the Armed Forces who is
stationed at Ft. Campbell Army Base would be
considered a resident of both Kentucky and
Tennessee regardless of the State in which the
member maintained his or her residence.
FFL Newsletter -August 2004
