NY Police accidentally shoot shop worker to death

[.452browning]

Been a bad couple of weeks in NYC...

NY police accidentally shoot shop worker to death - Yahoo! News

 

[Kutnupe14]

Investigators believe the impact of Cuevas running into the officer caused him to fire one round, striking the 20-year-old victim in the left shoulder, police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said at a news conference.

Poor trigger discipline. The city will lose its butt on this one.

 

[357 Terms]

Mayor Bloomberg is always vocal about the evils of guns and the dangers of gun ownership.
Seems he should extend his restrictive gunlaws to his own police force. That would at least lower much of the "gun violence" in his city.
It would be interesting to know just how much training an average NYPD officer recieves.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

It would be interesting to know just how much training an average NYPD officer recieves.

Next to nothing. My pre-adolescent nephews are better trained than NYC cops.

I posted the Rand study in another thread. I'll see if I can re-post it.

Here we go: http://www.pagunblog.com/2012/08/29/rand-study-on-nypd-firearms-training/

 

[Kutnupe14]

Next to nothing. My pre-adolescent nephews are better trained than NYC cops.

I posted the Rand study in another thread. I'll see if I can re-post it.

Here we go: http://www.pagunblog.com/2012/08/29/rand-study-on-nypd-firearms-training/

Dannng, I had no idea NYPD wasn't as thoroughly trained as oe would "think" a police officer should be. That's pretty bad. "2-4 days" as a recruit? We had a full 2 weeks, in-house, before ever going to ILEA.

 

[Expat]

So what you are saying is that Mayor Bloomberg should be more concerned with the training of his police officers rather than illegally buying guns in other states, clamping down on big slurps, worrying about women breast feeding, salt in food, transfats and whatever his most recent attempt at social engineering.

 

[GBuck]

95 rounds every six months.. They're spoiled!

 

[Indy317]

The video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuSwNTp8PgA

 

[Birds Away]

Obviously I am not a LEO. Can someone explain why the Officer would be standing right by the door with armed assailants possibly just inside? I am not criticizing, just seeking information.

 

[shortyforty]

Not an accident watch the video the cop panicked shot the guy then landed on top of him still pointing a weapon. Remember brought to you by the same department that turned a single murder into a national story about a mass shooting when the cops shot 9 people

 

[GBuck]

Not an accident watch the video the cop panicked shot the guy then landed on top of him still pointing a weapon.

That makes it not an accident? If it's not an accident you're saying he meant to shoot the guy?

Negligence does not make it purposeful.

 

[singlestacksig]

the guy did not run into the cop.. he ran past him.. cop shot him..

 

[GBuck]

the guy did not run into the cop.. he ran past him.. cop shot him..

The last few seconds of the clip it sure looks like he ran into him. Maybe not enough to cause the shot, but with the first guy running out and motioning into the store, the cop seems to have turned to go in, ran into the guy and shot him. Probably thought he was the assailant with the other guy pointing in. Seems to me as a "they're in there," type of gesture. We'll never know without the audio

 

[Rocket]

He was not Bowled over. Looks like Cop Panicked to me. The stance and the position at the end shows body control. And Fluid drop with weapon in the ready the entire trip. Accident, I do not think so. Negligence , most definitely. But I wasn't there. I think if it were to go to a Jury The officer is done. But I doubt that will happen.

 

[shortyforty]

That makes it not an accident? If it's not an accident you're saying he meant to shoot the guy?

Negligence does not make it purposeful.

That is exactly what I am saying , he unholsterd his gun put his finger on the trigger and pointed it at another human being , which one of those actions are you saying was an accident?

 

[GBuck]

That is exactly what I am saying , he unholsterd his gun put his finger on the trigger and pointed it at another human being , which one of those actions are you saying was an accident?

The part where he pulled the trigger on a non-BG.

 

[cobber]

Seems like in NYC you need to sign a waiver of liability just to walk the streets.

Innocent bystanders and crime victims beware, NYPD is gunning for you!

 

[shortyforty]

The part where he pulled the trigger on a non-BG.

So he didn't purposely pull the trigger? What does he have a muscle disorder where his finger do what they want? Bottom line it took a finger to pull the trigger and if you can't control your actions maybe you shouldn't have a gun let alone be a police officer

 

[GBuck]

So he didn't purposely pull the trigger? What does he have a muscle disorder where his finger do what they want? Bottom line it took a finger to pull the trigger and if you can't control your actions maybe you shouldn't have a gun let alone be a police officer

Ok.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Yikes! That's not accidental.

With the video we are likely arguing Reckless Homicide vs. Knowingly or Intentional.

He shot him from retention. He meant to do it.

Look at him dance around. He is amped up and does not know what to do, so he gets the gun out. People that act like Officer Happydance do not shoot because there is a threat, they shoot to make themselves feel better.

We shall see if this turns into the BART case or if NYPD's political influence prevents a prosecution. Wait and see.