Open Carry [which is legal] in Michigan = Detained at gunpoint?

[ArmedProgrammer]

based on the story and video, seemed like RS to me.

RS = Rabbit Stuff????

 

[Destro]

RS of an actual crime? Which one?

The officer sure couldn't articulate anything resembling suspicion of a crime, let alone a reasonable one.

He did not just happen upon the guy, he was sent to investigate a citizens concern of a suspicious person, who happened to be carrying a gun. He observed the individual whom was reported to police as suspicious. The officer performed a stop and question on the individual based on these facts. He was detained (not free to leave) while an investigation was performed based on the facts and circumstances. It was determined that no crime was committed and the individual was free to leave. The officer was not driving around looking for somebody to hit with his jackboots, he was sent their based on the report of a citizens concern of suspicious activity.

 

[rambone]

Destro, can I borrow your rose-colored glasses sometime?

 

[hornadylnl]

Destro, can I borrow your rose-colored glasses sometime?

Pretty sure they're blue.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Handcuffed for an extended period of time is not just being detained. So, if anyone makes a phone call about anyone is RS for any kind of stop.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Handcuffed for an extended period of time is not just being detained. So, if anyone makes a phone call about anyone is RS for any kind of stop.

Well yeah. Anybody carrying a gun is automatically considered suspicious.

 

[ATM]

He did not just happen upon the guy, he was sent to investigate a citizens concern of a suspicious person, who happened to be carrying a gun. He observed the individual whom was reported to police as suspicious. The officer performed a stop and question on the individual based on these facts. He was detained (not free to leave) while an investigation was performed based on the facts and circumstances. It was determined that no crime was committed and the individual was free to leave. The officer was not driving around looking for somebody to hit with his jackboots, he was sent their based on the report of a citizens concern of suspicious activity.

So, you've got absolutely nothing which would rise to RS of any crime and nothing to refute the officer's own admission of why he actually detained at gunpoint, cuffed and disarmed the man "...because you've got a handgun, walkin' down the street."

I'm sure the report will grasp for something reasonably suspicious just as you have, but there was simply no excuse. They should have sent a better informed officer who knows the law and the limits of his authority. I'm sure most would have driven on by finding nothing suspicious to investigate.

Should be an easy payday.

 

[hornadylnl]

So, you've got absolutely nothing which would rise to RS of any crime and nothing to refute the officer's own admission of why he actually detained at gunpoint, cuffed and disarmed the man "...because you've got a handgun, walkin' down the street."

I'm sure the report will grasp for something reasonably suspicious just as you have, but there was simply no excuse. They should have sent a better informed officer who knows the law and the limits of his authority. I'm sure most would have driven on by finding nothing suspicious to investigate.

Should be an easy payday.

Was he wearing a hoodie?

 

[GunnerDan]

He did not just happen upon the guy, he was sent to investigate a citizens concern of a suspicious person, who happened to be carrying a gun. He observed the individual whom was reported to police as suspicious. The officer performed a stop and question on the individual based on these facts. He was detained (not free to leave) while an investigation was performed based on the facts and circumstances. It was determined that no crime was committed and the individual was free to leave. The officer was not driving around looking for somebody to hit with his jackboots, he was sent their based on the report of a citizens concern of suspicious activity.

You just dont have a clue do you? Walking down the street is NOT suspicious activity with or without a gun. The person was under NO OBLIGATION to offer any personally identifiable information as a crime was NOT being committed, or had been committed. Why dont you go back over to O.com and hang around with the rest of the jackboots who love to Unconstitutionally detain people, and then get the taxpayers on the hook for multi-thousand dollar lawsuits. And the police wonder why the common citizen hates their guts so much. The police are NOT your friend, the police are NOT there to help you, the police are there to do ONE job, and that is to ARREST a criminal, that is all, NOTHING more.

Gunner

 

[hornadylnl]

What a contrast.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-form-spam-casing-your-house.html#post4735828

 

[ATM]

...And the police wonder why the common citizen hates their guts so much...

The common citizen should refrain from painting with the broad brush. There's no excuse for that, either.

 

[GunnerDan]

The common citizen should refrain from painting with the broad brush. There's no excuse for that, either.

When the police are finally held PERSONALLY accountable for their Unconstitutional actions then maybe the citizens will respect them again.

Gunner

 

[cmr13]

Overlooked in the confrontation is the fact that when the officer drew his weapon, there was a dark SUV that drove between himself and the alleged perpetrator? What is up with that? What happened to the concept of muzzle control around innocent bystanders? If I were the person in that SUV, I'd be just as pissed as the guy who was being detained for public safety (of course)....

I caught that too and had the same thought.

 

[Destro]

You just dont have a clue do you? Walking down the street is NOT suspicious activity with or without a gun. The person was under NO OBLIGATION to offer any personally identifiable information as a crime was NOT being committed, or had been committed. Why dont you go back over to O.com and hang around with the rest of the jackboots who love to Unconstitutionally detain people, and then get the taxpayers on the hook for multi-thousand dollar lawsuits. And the police wonder why the common citizen hates their guts so much. The police are NOT your friend, the police are NOT there to help you, the police are there to do ONE job, and that is to ARREST a criminal, that is all, NOTHING more.

Gunner

A crime need not be committed for law enforcement toconduct an investigative stop.

 

[actaeon277]

A crime need not be committed for law enforcement toconduct an investigative stop.

that didn't look very investigative to me.

 

[Destro]

that didn't look very investigative to me.

I believe the officers initial impression was the guy was looney tunes, it could have probably been handled alot differently however.

 

[BigMatt]

It doesn't?

 

[GunnerDan]

A crime need not be committed for law enforcement toconduct an investigative stop.

Am I free to go, am I being legally detained, are you investigating me for committing a crime?

Gunner

 

[Destro]

Am I free to go, am I being legally detained, are you investigating me for committing a crime?

Gunner

This was an extreme terry stop.

 

[GunnerDan]

This was an extreme terry stop.

So then a person who IS NOT COMMITTING A CRIME BY WALKING DOWN THE STREET can be detained using a Terry stop, I think not... What does it say, "reasonable suspicion of involvement in criminal activity" Lets see, just carrying a gun is NOT reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. The Supreme Court has already ruled that when the carrying of arms is legal, there is no reasonable suspicion of criminal activity that raises the level to justify a Terry stop.

I figured you would attempt to bring up a Terry stop, and it just isnt so. Whatever cop stopped him should have to PERSONALLY pay the lawsuit that this guy will win, along with whatever court fees and if they cant then the cop should end up in jail, plain and simple. As I said before until the police stop with the heavy-handed Unconstitutional stops people will continue to despise the police.

Gunner