PEOPLE, PLEASE STOP FOR SCHOOL BUSES!!!!

[Hatin Since 87]

#1 Not always.

#2 Punishment is based both upon results and intent. Horrible results, no intent versus; bad intent and bad, but not as horrible results.

4 years makes sense to me. I don't see what is gained by a longer sentence.

While I understand that the intent wasn’t there, and IANAL, but to me intent only means so much. I know that isn’t how the law works, but as gun owners we all practice this mentality. I may not intend to shoot somebody while cleaning my firearm, but if it happens it was caused by stupidity and negligence, and if somebody is killed because of my stupidity and negligence I 100% expect the worst sentence possible. In this case not 1, but 3 children died due to somebodies negligence. Imo 4 years is a slap on the wrist. These were kids that had their whole lives ahead of them, lost, because somebody couldn’t wait 60 seconds. If my firearm shoots somebody and kills them while cleaning it, and kills 1 single person, an adult, I’m likely to get more time than she did. That’s not a good system.

 

[HoughMade]

No one gets convicted of murder and gets the sentence of a murderer with a clearly accidental shooting. In fact, it is often not even charged. This is no different.

 

[Denny347]

#1 Not always.

#2 Punishment is based both upon results and intent. Horrible results, no intent versus; bad intent and bad, but not as horrible results.

4 years makes sense to me. I don't see what is gained by a longer sentence.

No one gets convicted of murder and gets the sentence of a murderer with a clearly accidental shooting. In fact, it is often not even charged. This is no different.

 

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[Trigger Time]

Social Media FB pages around the Rochester area are filled with lots of nasty, uninformed and frankly ignorant comments. FWIW, I think both sides are a bit unhinged. I think this lady and her family will need to relocate. The mother of the deceased children physically attacked her after the sentencing and was arrested for misdemeanor assault (I think that was the charge) and was led off in handcuffs. I hear she was released during the wee hours of the morning.

Unfortunately, this incident likely will not really change anything. People still ignore the stop arms, busses still stop on the "Wrong" side of the road.

I dont blame the mom. I think the penalty would be well worth it for me.
If someone killed my kids a *****slap would be the very best result they could hope for.

 

[nra4ever]

So if the mother kills the killer of her children by the math she should only get 1.3 years. Is that right???? Wow 1.3 years appears to be the value placed on a human life as far as prison.

 

[jasonh31]

The mother is a complete P.O.S. who had very little to do with these children before their death. Now she's trying to cash in. Hell she even had a speeding ticket in a school zone after the accident.

 

[HoughMade]

So if the mother kills the killer of her children by the math she should only get 1.3 years. Is that right???? Wow 1.3 years appears to be the value placed on a human life as far as prison.

...so now we circle back to the intent discussion....but you knew that.....

 

[putsjunior]

Jasonh31 isn’t lying. I lived in Rochester for a few years. But that shepherd girl does deserve a stiffer sentence.

 

[HoughMade]

[h=1]NTSB: Schools share blame for Rochester crash that killed 3 children[/h]
https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/ntsb-schools-share-blame-for-rochester-crash-that-killed-3-children

...was it common knowledge that the bus driver signaled the kids to cross? I must have missed it.

 

[JettaKnight]

This is one thread I didn't except to see all spring.


And I guess I always thought, bus stops, then you cross. I don't recall there being an extra step.

 

[WebSnyper]

NTSB: Schools share blame for Rochester crash that killed 3 children


https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/ntsb-schools-share-blame-for-rochester-crash-that-killed-3-children

...was it common knowledge that the bus driver signaled the kids to cross? I must have missed it.

Interesting.

Not that I am one to blame the schools for the actual action of the person who took the direct action to blow through a school bus with its signals on, the lack of having tried to take preventative steps does seem to have contributed. Basically one of those things where taking every precaution possible because people are just stupid, is warranted.

I'm guessing this will play into a civil lawsuit against the schools? (I haven't kept up with the story after some it happened if this already happened).

Again, while I am not one to point the finger at people beyond those who took the actual action, this quote kind of hit me:

The school corporation issued a statement saying it “has implemented a transportation safety review committee” that meets regularly.

Well thank goodness they now have a committee and it is meeting regularly. That would certainly make me feel better if I had kids riding buses in that system.

And they may have actually made some changes, but seems that would have been what you wanted to get out there, though again could just be bad reporting.

 

[HoughMade]

I always wondered why people assume only 1 person can be at fault for anything or why there being more than 1 person at fault somehow makes a person who does a criminal act less guilty. Civil law reflects the idea of applying percentages of fault to each entity that is negligent, but criminal law reflects the idea of holding everyone who committed a crime 100% accountable.

I don't know if anyone but the driver who hit the kids was negligent, but what is the purpose of having the bus driver signal the kids when to cross if it's not so another set of eyes is looking to see if it is safe?

 

[Clark & Addison]

NTSB: Schools share blame for Rochester crash that killed 3 children


https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/ntsb-schools-share-blame-for-rochester-crash-that-killed-3-children

...was it common knowledge that the bus driver signaled the kids to cross? I must have missed it.

I am a teacher that has my bus license and will occasionally sub for route drivers. While there is no law that drivers have to signal kids to cross the street, it is a recommended practice. It was part of our training when I got my license. I can tell you that some of the drivers I cover have done a better job of training their riders about this than others have. Even when unloading kids, I tell them to wait for my signal before crossing the road.

 

[Ingomike]

This makes some sense to me.

However, contributing to the cause of the crash was the Tippecanoe Valley School Corp.’s inadequate safety assessment of school bus routes, resulting in a prevalence of bus stops that required students to cross high-speed roadways, the NTSB said.

My reading is that the drivers legal team was able to show that the school district had, and the NSTB determined to be too many situations where children had to cross highways rather than pick them up on the curb side. And if a juror I could be persuaded to agree with this...

The agency also found there was no clear policy established by the district for school bus drivers to follow in determining when it was safe to signal students to cross a roadway.

The school system has created a perfect storm with the stops that cross highways and then having the driver signal the kids to cross.

 

[HoughMade]

I am a teacher that has my bus license and will occasionally sub for route drivers. While there is no law that drivers have to signal kids to cross the street, it is a recommended practice. It was part of our training when I got my license. I can tell you that some of the drivers I cover have done a better job of training their riders about this than others have. Even when unloading kids, I tell them to wait for my signal before crossing the road.

...which is the the issue. The bus driver apparently signalled them to cross, they started to and got killed. As far as I can tell, the kids waited for the signal.

 

[Sigblitz]

I'm reading here the bus driver sees the approaching vehicle and waves the kids across the path of the approaching vehicle. I would prefer bus drivers wave the kids across after traffic has stopped.

Walk your kids to the bus stop in case they are urged to cross before traffic has stopped.

I think it was the perfect storm. 3 people could have prevented it. One was absent and two contributed.

I am glad they are finally addressing one of the roots.