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Police in Odessa and Midland looking for active shooter
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Didn't see it in the last few pages, but the crazy dude actually called police and FBI before (and maybe during) his rampage. That's how they "know" it wasn't work related, at least not completely. He probably said stuff that indicated how crazy he was.
And - I suspect - that's what the NICS denial was. I think we've all tracked the breakdowns in the mental health record integration with NICS... well... some places took steps to change that. He probably got flagged on the mental health side as not worthy of a firearm. So, he got denied. But, since it is mental health related, there are other laws that prevent LE from saying that's what the issue was.
Or maybe he has a felony in a jurisdiction that the media hasn't found yet. I don't know. But, there are lots of reasons to fail a NICS - including the aforementioned false positives.
And - I suspect - that's what the NICS denial was. I think we've all tracked the breakdowns in the mental health record integration with NICS... well... some places took steps to change that. He probably got flagged on the mental health side as not worthy of a firearm. So, he got denied. But, since it is mental health related, there are other laws that prevent LE from saying that's what the issue was.
Or maybe he has a felony in a jurisdiction that the media hasn't found yet. I don't know. But, there are lots of reasons to fail a NICS - including the aforementioned false positives.
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Did the media determine he was a registered Republican and potentially voted for Trump and knew all the words to the Pledge of Allegiance?
And then there is this missed opportunity...https://nypost.com/2019/09/01/texas-mass-shooter-threatened-neighbor-shot-animals-from-roof-report/ ..."She said cops tried to confront Ator following her report to them last month, but his property didn’t show up on GPS and was difficult to find." Like "she" the neighbor couldn't point out where he lived??? Doesn't sound like they tried very hard.
^^^^ This right here. Neighbors "saw something and said something", and someone dropped the ball. And they're never held to account. Wonder how they sleep at night.
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It sure sounds like a lot of CYA from officials down there. If this shooter was as bat
crazy as it sounds, people had to know.
It sounds as if there actually was see something, say something that again failed?
crazy as it sounds, people had to know. It sounds as if there actually was see something, say something that again failed?
Well, if mental health issues were reported and that resulted in the NICS rejection, then "the system" worked as intended. But, they can't really confirm mental health issues because of privacy laws.
In this narrow segment of situations involving non-crime related NICS rejections, the private sales loophole is actually a loophole. If we all agree that there are certain people who are so crazy that they shouldn't have guns, then private sales are a way for them to circumvent those gun laws.
In this narrow segment of situations involving non-crime related NICS rejections, the private sales loophole is actually a loophole. If we all agree that there are certain people who are so crazy that they shouldn't have guns, then private sales are a way for them to circumvent those gun laws.
In Indiana, when we do private sales, an unwritten "rule" we often follow to avoid selling to a felon is to ask to see the LTCH along with the driver's license. What's the likelihood this mentally handicapped active shooter could have gotten a Texas license to carry?
I've always thought asking for an LTCH was a reasonable thing for a seller. (Other INGOers disagree.) The rest of this post does not change the reasonableness of that request.
I do not know:
- to what extent the ISP is tied in with mental health records to determine whether to grant LTCHs.
- to what extent the ISP can suspend an LTCH if it does learn of Red-Flag-able issues.
- whether Texas has an LTCH.
- to what extent the Texas authorities have the mental health information or authority to suspend or deny an LTCH based on Red-Flag-able issues.
One of the police officers injured during the shooting was released from the hospital. 
You can see him leaving the hospital while being applauded by fellow officers.
Youtuber Matt (Demoliton Ranch) was here to gift the officer an AR 15 before the officer had to leave for Alabama.
https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/MPD-Officer-Zack-Owens-released-from-the-hospital-559373151.html
[video=youtube;8XM2IuZUpaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XM2IuZUpaw[/video]
You can see him leaving the hospital while being applauded by fellow officers.
Youtuber Matt (Demoliton Ranch) was here to gift the officer an AR 15 before the officer had to leave for Alabama.
https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/MPD-Officer-Zack-Owens-released-from-the-hospital-559373151.html
[video=youtube;8XM2IuZUpaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XM2IuZUpaw[/video]
Report Refutes CNN’s Claim That Odessa Attacker Bought Weapon In Private Sale
https://www.dailywire.com/news/5144...book&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mattwalsh
https://www.dailywire.com/news/5144...book&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mattwalsh
OR, he was buying parts kits and 100% completed receivers and building them into rifles
But there's nothing illegal about selling an ar you build, unless your building and selling a lot of them. But how would you trace that. Bad guy is dead, so he cant tell ya where he got it from. 80% lower would not ne serialized, but once again, how would you know bad guy didn't build it himself.
Once again, more questions than answers, and still have yet to see a pic of the weapon he used. Kinda like the Virginia shooter with the "suppresor" Never seen the firearm used there, but they were sure quick to show the Wal-Mart and Dayton shooters weapons. Almost as if there's an agenda being pushed
From the article: "it is a crime to be in the business of manufacturing or selling guns without a license. Law-enforcement officials suspect the man was buying various gun parts to build his own guns and then reselling them."
Sounds like he was doing it as a business.
So technically, it was a kind of private sale, but one that's already against the law because he's acting as an unlicensed dealer. If he's breaking the law to sell guns, if private sales would have required background checks, likely would not have minded breaking that law too. So the proposed solution, once again, would not have changed the outcome.
Sounds like he was doing it as a business.
So technically, it was a kind of private sale, but one that's already against the law because he's acting as an unlicensed dealer. If he's breaking the law to sell guns, if private sales would have required background checks, likely would not have minded breaking that law too. So the proposed solution, once again, would not have changed the outcome.
You can certainly score the points for the anti's, with all the large businesses that are keeping gun control in the news with their public carry press releases.
We better get on our game...
