Police Owe No Duty To Defend Citizens...

[Ark]

"Police have no duty to protect you" sounds worse and scarier than "police cannot be held financially liable for not successfully saving you from the criminal actions of others". It is not within their power to guarantee a positive outcome in all cases, or prevent all crime from happening in the first place. If you actually think about it for more than 5 seconds, such legal obligation and liability would make policing impossible.

 

[gregkl]

We have non gun owners on here? (Serious question)

I'm getting close. A couple more sales and I will have to find something else to do with my safe.

 

[MindfulMan]

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[Clay Pigeon]

You should do a ride-along and see what police work really entails instead of blindly believing everything you read about. But you are probably one of the many that likes to post crap like that and are too scared to take a tour through the ghetto with an officer.

There is a ghetto in Indianapolis?......

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

You should start a tour company and call it "Hood Cruises"

It would be unlikely that I got enough business to stay in business.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

There is a ghetto in Indianapolis?......

Would "geographic area where law-abiding persons fear to tread" be more acceptable to you?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

No, no, no, this is not intended to be about police at all. It is about the need to plan to defend yourself and not count on help that may never arrive. And lastly, you will find no posts from me that are negative about police, I believe it a very tough, often thankless job and am grateful to all who serve.

The he intent here was the law and court decisions...

Perhaps you should have explained that in your post instead of just posting the "facts" of the case. The way you posted it makes it sound like no police officers have ever done anything to protect the life of an individual or a group of individuals because they were not legally bound to do so. I could list numerous examples, including some by members of this board.

 

[Amishman44]

At the end of the day your life is your responsibility. Part of the problem in society is sitting around waiting for everyone else to fix it, then pointing the finger when something doesn’t go right. What happened to the old saying “if you want it done right you gotta do it yourself”? Most LEO want to protect everyone they can, and I couldn’t imagine the heart break they feel when they are unable to do so. It takes a special person to do those jobs. I can not do it. They are constantly under a microscope being judged by the public, their supervisors, peers, and lawyers. There aren’t enough police to be everywhere at once. If this lady has had a problem with her ex husband in the past, she should have taken measures to prevent this. Maybe take a gun class, restraining order, dog, something.

Ark "Police have no duty to protect you" sounds worse and scarier than "police cannot be held financially liable for not successfully saving you from the criminal actions of others".
It is not within their power to guarantee a positive outcome in all cases, or prevent all crime from happening in the first place.
If you actually think about it for more than 5 seconds, such legal obligation and liability would make policing impossible.


According to the law, the individual is personally responsible for his/her own safety and the defense of one's home / loved ones.
Law Enforcement is a response-based organization who are not in the 'preventative' business...and when bad stuff happens, the police are just minutes away (or hours, depending on the day!)
Each individual has a responsibility to defend / protect themselves against attack...or have the developed ability to repeal the attack and survive!
Law Enforcement cannot be everywhere and not every 'battle' is worth it...only defend what you love!
Here is a 14 year old SCOTUS response to the issue: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/...ot-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

 

[femurphy77]

You should start a tour company and call it "Hood Cruises"

Would an MRAP be sufficient for this venture?

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Would "geographic area where law-abiding persons fear to tread" be more acceptable to you?

LOL. It makes no difference to me what its called, I've just never equated anywhere inside the Indy beltway to the ghettos of Detroit, Gary, Baltimore and the now gentrified Wash DC.

 

[HoughMade]

LOL. It makes no difference to me what its called, I've just never equated anywhere inside the Indy beltway to the ghettos of Detroit, Gary, Baltimore and the now gentrified Wash DC.

Good point...Indy comes in at #10 of the most violent cities, Baltimore and Detroit were a little higher on the list.

#10....great.

 

[T.Lex]

If we're in the top 10, do we qualify for the post-season with an automatic berth, or is there a one game play-in?

 

[gregkl]

Good point...Indy comes in at #10 of the most violent cities, Baltimore and Detroit were a little higher on the list.

#10....great.

How are the statistics applied to this ranking? Violent crimes per capita? Total number of violent crimes? What do they consider a violent crime? Fatality? Bodily harm?

I don't get to Indy much but being number 10 seems pretty high up the chart for me.

But then again, most of my "news" comes from here. And a little on google. I don't read newspapers or watch news on the TV.

 

[HoughMade]

If we're in the top 10, do we qualify for the post-season with an automatic berth, or is there a one game play-in?

The problem is that as the cold weather comes, the violent crime drops. The first half of the season was impressive, but it will take a real commitment to sustain that record.

 

[T.Lex]

The problem is that as the cold weather comes, the violent crime drops. The first half of the season was impressive, but it will take a real. Commitment to sustain that record.

That's where coaching really makes a difference, and I just don't think Indy has the same kind of pedigree as those other places. Not enough hardened leaders to really push through the tough times.

 

[drillsgt]

Perhaps you should have explained that in your post instead of just posting the "facts" of the case. The way you posted it makes it sound like no police officers have ever done anything to protect the life of an individual or a group of individuals because they were not legally bound to do so. I could list numerous examples, including some by members of this board.

Or maybe you jumped to conclusions and thought you sniffed out another "anti-cop" thread and had to swoop in and defend your honor lol, like you always do. Nothing to see here, we'll see you again in another eight months or so. It's unfortunate, you used to be a pretty interesting contributor.

 

[HoughMade]

Well, so what IS the point of the thread describing law that is as old as English common law? I don’t want to jump to conclusions.

 

[T.Lex]

Or maybe you jumped to conclusions and thought you sniffed out another "anti-cop" thread and had to swoop in and defend your honor lol, like you always do. Nothing to see here, we'll see you again in another eight months or so. It's unfortunate, you used to be a pretty interesting contributor.

 

[churchmouse]

OK folks. We will not go there.

 

[Sigblitz]

Game delay. Snow on the field. 1 in thread for roughing.