Possibly a new down turn in U.S. Homicides

[Mij]

A look at what's behind the 'incredible' decline in 2023 US homicides — ABC News

The year is expected to end with over 2,000 fewer murders than in 2022.

apple.news

 

[Ark]

the annual National Crime Victimization Survey published this month by the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics that found the number of violent crime victims nationwide climbed from 16.5 per 1,000 people in 2021 to 23.5 per 1,000 in 2022.

So when people are asked about whether they were victimized, it's up 50%, but when cities report the data it's a "record drop".

I don't believe reported data anymore.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

So when people are asked about whether they were victimized, it's up 50%, but when cities report the data it's a "record drop".

I don't believe reported data anymore.

I'm skeptical too. Like here in Indy, they report some 200+ homicides so far this year, but I would swear that we have been averaging at least one per day, if not multiples per day. Something doesn't add up.

 

[OneBadV8]

I'm skeptical too. Like here in Indy, they report some 200+ homicides so far this year, but I would swear that we have been averaging at least one per day, if not multiples per day. Something doesn't add up.

Sounds like the same reporting system as COVID

 

[Mij]

I'm skeptical too. Like here in Indy, they report some 200+ homicides so far this year, but I would swear that we have been averaging at least one per day, if not multiples per day. Something doesn't add up.

Na. The facts are how a homicide is recorded, age, type, weapon, gang, non gang, family? What is a child? Any way to confuse the statistics and how they are rankEd to fit the politics of the moment.

The facts are the facts. The only way to really view them is the once a decade National Crime Stats Report. Crime is down a bunch from the high in the 60’s but the news ain’t gonna say it.JMO

 

[BehindBlueI's]

So when people are asked about whether they were victimized, it's up 50%, but when cities report the data it's a "record drop".

I don't believe reported data anymore.

Self-reporting is always higher, many crimes go unreported and not every department reports into NIBRS, but that's not the issue here. The article is just confusing AF if you don't read closely. Note that they are not comparing the same years in the main article vs the sidebar on self-reporting.

I'm skeptical too. Like here in Indy, they report some 200+ homicides so far this year, but I would swear that we have been averaging at least one per day, if not multiples per day. Something doesn't add up.

Show me what doesn't add up other than your memory of what it seems like vs what it actually is. Skepticism requires the willingness to prove or disprove. Cynicism is just assuming the worst.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Show me what doesn't add up other than your memory of what it seems like vs what it actually is. Skepticism requires the willingness to prove or disprove. Cynicism is just assuming the worst.

All I was saying was that nearly every morning when I watch the news, it seems like there has been another (or multiple others) homicide overnight or the previous day. Maybe I should make a project of putting tick marks on a piece of paper whenever I hear of a homicide, beginning Monday. One a day (which seems low) would be 365 homicides a year. I'm not suggesting anything nefarious necessarily, just that they seem under-reported.

 

[random44]

Some of the victims must be testing positive for COVID so their cause of death is listed as the virus instead of the gun shot wound.

 

[Ziggidy]

So when people are asked about whether they were victimized, it's up 50%, but when cities report the data it's a "record drop".

I don't believe reported data anymore.

They use “covid math”

 

[Principal Skinr]

I'm skeptical too. Like here in Indy, they report some 200+ homicides so far this year, but I would swear that we have been averaging at least one per day, if not multiples per day. Something doesn't add up.

We need to start a thread on January 1 that counts all the homicides within Marion County. We could do other counties, too. Then compare that to what the media reports as a total as the years go on. Their own reporting will expose them if they lie about the data, or report faulty government data.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

All I was saying was that nearly every morning when I watch the news, it seems like there has been another (or multiple others) homicide overnight or the previous day. Maybe I should make a project of putting tick marks on a piece of paper whenever I hear of a homicide, beginning Monday. One a day (which seems low) would be 365 homicides a year. I'm not suggesting anything nefarious necessarily, just that they seem under-reported.

What 'it seems like' and what 'it is' are different. The NIBRS number for Indianapolis don't include Beech Grove, Speedway, or Lawrence, only the IMPD jurisdiction. I would think the numbers for the others are as well, but I know for an absolute fact IMPD's homicide numbers are legit.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

What 'it seems like' and what 'it is' are different. The NIBRS number for Indianapolis don't include Beech Grove, Speedway, or Lawrence, only the IMPD jurisdiction. I would think the numbers for the others are as well, but I know for an absolute fact IMPD's homicide numbers are legit.

Ah, that makes sense. I hadn't considered that part of it. I guess I was equating "Indianapolis" homicides with Marion County homicides. The news muddies things up when they cover say, a Lawrence homicide, and say something like, "That brings the total number of homicides to xxx this year."

 

[KellyinAvon]

What 'it seems like' and what 'it is' are different. The NIBRS number for Indianapolis don't include Beech Grove, Speedway, or Lawrence, only the IMPD jurisdiction. I would think the numbers for the others are as well, but I know for an absolute fact IMPD's homicide numbers are legit.

When I did the math on population and homicide numbers for Marion County (FBI Crime Explorer numbers) the Marion County homicides were slightly higher for 2021.

I look forward to the day you are bored at work.

 

[Mij]

The Fed. Report I referenced (I truly don’t remember which agency) breaks it down into the little pieces. I’ve got the last one in my library on my computer. It categorizes things such as race, age, gang- non gang, family, sex of victims and perpetrators, weapon, day, night, it’s very comprehensive. It shows the real stats, but no news agencies are going to publish them. It doesn’t fit the news of the current administration point of view.

 

[mmpsteve]

A look at what's behind the 'incredible' decline in 2023 US homicides — ABC News

The year is expected to end with over 2,000 fewer murders than in 2022.

apple.news

My main takeaway from the article is that when violent crime goes up 35-40% in the preceding 2 or 3 years, any substantial drop is going to be "hystorical/hysterical drop percentagewise"

All this to convince us that times are great under this great admin.

I'm not convinced.

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[Denny347]

I look forward to the day you are bored at work.

Then I wouldn't get to see him and that would make me sad.....

 

[Leo]

For the last year several Psych associations have had articles about growing suicide rates. Maybe murders with no evidence are being called suicide to streamline the reports.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Then I wouldn't get to see him and that would make me sad.....

Sure you'd see him! The "little old lady groups" outreach meetings will include using your cane to fend off mashers and dirty old men.

 

[Indyhd]

Well if they were associates of the Clintons they are always suicides...

 

[ECS686]

All I was saying was that nearly every morning when I watch the news, it seems like there has been another (or multiple others) homicide overnight or the previous day. Maybe I should make a project of putting tick marks on a piece of paper whenever I hear of a homicide, beginning Monday. One a day (which seems low) would be 365 homicides a year. I'm not suggesting anything nefarious necessarily, just that they seem under-reported.

The way the media sensationalizes homicides could it be a case your hearing some re reported incidents?
They are all about that but the positive stories get a blip and moved on.!