Possibly a new down turn in U.S. Homicides

[BehindBlueI's]

For the last year several Psych associations have had articles about growing suicide rates. Maybe murders with no evidence are being called suicide to streamline the reports.

Or, maybe after years of rising rates they're declining back towards more normal numbers. Probably that.

 

[Twangbanger]

Well duh?

"...The sizable fall in homicides comes after a record high in murders was set in 2020 at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic when courts were mostly closed and jail populations were being drastically reduced in an attempt to curb the spread of the virus.

"Certainly, after it hit, we saw backlogs of cases and delayed trials and things like that," White said. "There was no real accountability for bad acts."..."

Letting people out of jail to limit spread of a respiratory virus, is a decision which (we can only hope) has not aged well.

 

[Denny347]

Maybe murders with no evidence are being called suicide to streamline the reports.

Yeah, no. Even if this were to happen, it would be a rare case. Homicides are pretty obvious. Suicides are pretty obvious. Rare is the death that is unclear which direction to look.

 

[foszoe]

Or, maybe after years of rising rates they're declining back towards more normal numbers. Probably that.

But that makes way too much sense.

 

[Fallschirmjaeger]

Maybe the drop in homicides is related to the fact that concealed carry freedoms are better and more robust nationwide than they’ve ever been (finally)- though certainly more work needs to be done.

 

[ECS686]

Maybe the drop in homicides is related to the fact that concealed carry freedoms are better and more robust nationwide than they’ve ever been (finally)- though certainly more work needs to be done.

Your not hearing much on thugs dying (other than buy other thugs) and the mere presence of someone carrying does little to wart off any real thugs so that’s going to be a negligible difference if any!

 

[BehindBlueI's]

But that makes way too much sense.

Less fun, though.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Maybe the drop in homicides is related to the fact that concealed carry freedoms are better and more robust nationwide than they’ve ever been (finally)- though certainly more work needs to be done.

Justified homicides are certainly up in Marion Co, at least. Still homicides. Folks need to remember that homicide =/= Murder.

There are so many variables I don't feel qualified to say how much has to do with changes in the law. It's often not a clear cut good guy vs bad guy sort of thing, but two ongoing criminal enterprises meeting. I doubt the change mattered to that subset.

 

[DadSmith]

Justified homicides are certainly up in Marion Co, at least. Still homicides. Folks need to remember that homicide =/= Murder.

There are so many variables I don't feel qualified to say how much has to do with changes in the law. It's often not a clear cut good guy vs bad guy sort of thing, but two ongoing criminal enterprises meeting. I doubt the change mattered to that subset.

I thought murder is the unlawful killing of another human being.
If its justified is it no longer murder?
Otherwise the state when it kills a person sentenced to death, a soldier killing the enemy of their country, or a person defending themselves from would be murderers, would be called murderers themselves.
One is lawful killing the other is unlawful, and it's all called murder?

 

[Denny347]

I thought murder is the unlawful killing of another human being.
If its justified is it no longer murder?
Otherwise the state when it kills a person sentenced to death, a soldier killing the enemy of their country, or a person defending themselves from would be murderers, would be called murderers themselves.
One is lawful killing the other is unlawful, and it's all called murder?

I think he was conveying that the reported homicide rate does not mean murder rate. Self-defense killings + murders = Homicide rate

 

[DoggyDaddy]

One is lawful killing the other is unlawful, and it's all called murder?

Other way around. Unlawful = murder = homicide.
Lawful = homicide =/= murder.

 

[foszoe]

Other way around. Unlawful = murder = homicide.
Lawful = homicide =/= murder.

Please one more = sign!

I think you were Denny'd

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Please one more = sign!

I think you were Denny'd

No, I stand by my number of = signs.
Unlawful is murder AND homicide.
Lawful is homicide NOT murder. Unlawful + Lawful = Homicides

 

[foszoe]

No, I stand by my number of = signs.
Unlawful is murder AND homicide.
Lawful is homicide NOT murder. Unlawful + Lawful = Homicides

I was not questioning your conclusion. MOreso the confusing road you took to get there!

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I was not questioning your conclusion. MOreso the confusing road you took to get there!

 

[Twangbanger]

No, I stand by my number of = signs.
Unlawful is murder AND homicide.
Lawful is homicide NOT murder. Unlawful + Lawful = Homicides

If everybody kicks in $10, I wonder if we can buy a "Venn Diagram Generator" app for the forum...

 

[printcraft]

I'm still confused how this news jives with higher instances of Constitutional carry popping up across the U.S.?
I was promised blood in the streets.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I thought murder is the unlawful killing of another human being.
If its justified is it no longer murder?
Otherwise the state when it kills a person sentenced to death, a soldier killing the enemy of their country, or a person defending themselves from would be murderers, would be called murderers themselves.
One is lawful killing the other is unlawful, and it's all called murder?

Denny got it.

Murder *is* an unlawful killing. Homicide is not a synonym for Murder, rather it's a broader group in which Murder is a subset. Hence the term 'justifiable homicide' being a thing but 'justifiable murder' not being a thing.

*edit*

Maybe you were confused by the symbol? "=/=" means "not equal to".

 

[Leadeye]

So....much....80s.....!

 

[DadSmith]

Denny got it.

Murder *is* an unlawful killing. Homicide is not a synonym for Murder, rather it's a broader group in which Murder is a subset. Hence the term 'justifiable homicide' being a thing but 'justifiable murder' not being a thing.

*edit*

Maybe you were confused by the symbol? "=/=" means "not equal to".

That's what confused me the symbols.
Thank you for the education.