Possibly a new down turn in U.S. Homicides

[foszoe]

If everybody kicks in $10, I wonder if we can buy a "Venn Diagram Generator" app for the forum...

20=10+10=/=100=10*10=/=20

 

[DadSmith]

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Gun ownership is only one variable in an incredibly complex problem. Both pro- and con- tend to overinflate the importance of it.

IMO, the biggest things that affect murder rates are:
1) setting cultural expectations that murder is intolerable
2) instilling basic conflict resolution and anger management skills in young people
3) segrating murderers from society
4) interruption of 'tit for tat' murder cycles.


#2 is where availability of weapons comes in to play more than the others. The quicker and easier it is to kill someone, the less time you have to cool down, to consider the consequences, etc. Same for suicide. The truly dedicated will do it anyway, but many folks if you can just get them over that initial hump and start thinking they'll back down and have a chance to walk away from the proverbial, or literal, cliff.

If you have a lot of young males who believe murder is acceptable, who believe they have nothing to lose, who believe society that condemns murder has failed them, then you'll have high murder rates. Young people have less forethought, more energy, and aren't cynical and beaten down by futility yet. It's not that old people can't murder. It's just they are too tired of each other's ******** to muster the energy to bother with it. Not even really joking.



Very brief summary of a very complex issue, but I think that's the crux of it.

 

[Denny347]

Gun ownership is only one variable in an incredibly complex problem. Both pro- and con- tend to overinflate the importance of it.

IMO, the biggest things that affect murder rates are:
1) setting cultural expectations that murder is intolerable
2) instilling basic conflict resolution and anger management skills in young people
3) segrating murderers from society
4) interruption of 'tit for tat' murder cycles.


#2 is where availability of weapons comes in to play more than the others. The quicker and easier it is to kill someone, the less time you have to cool down, to consider the consequences, etc. Same for suicide. The truly dedicated will do it anyway, but many folks if you can just get them over that initial hump and start thinking they'll back down and have a chance to walk away from the proverbial, or literal, cliff.

If you have a lot of young males who believe murder is acceptable, who believe they have nothing to lose, who believe society that condemns murder has failed them, then you'll have high murder rates. Young people have less forethought, more energy, and aren't cynical and beaten down by futility yet. It's not that old people can't murder. It's just they are too tired of each other's ******** to muster the energy to bother with it. Not even really joking.



Very brief summary of a very complex issue, but I think that's the crux of it.

Well crap, that doesn't fit either side's agenda......

 

[Route 45]

'justifiable murder' not being a thing

Oh, I don't know about that.

 

[Indyhd]

Well Mayor flip flop continues to bad mouth Constitutional Carry, and then pats himself on the back for a decrease in murders...

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Justified homicides are certainly up in Marion Co, at least.

Nearly half of Indy’s homicides so far this month could be justified killings as prosecutor reviews cases

INDIANAPOLIS — The city has seen 12 homicides in the first 16 days of 2024 and in five of those incidents, the suspected killer was initially detained but then later released while the Marion Count…

fox59.com

Media is starting to notice. The attorney they talked to is a moron, no way in **** I'd hire him for a self defense case or anything gun related. Nothing changed about reasonableness due to permitless carry and he completely misunderstands the concept of "acting in a legal capacity". You can be doing something illegal, like selling drugs, and still have the right to self-defense. What you can't do is be victimizing someone else then claim it, absent very very rare circumstances. So if you're robbing someone, they shoot you, you shoot them back you can't claim self-defense. If you're on the corner to sell weed and somebody starts shooting at you, the fact you're selling weed doesn't negate your legal ability to defend yourself.

 

[patience0830]

20=10+10=/=100=10*10=/=20

However $20 is $20.

 

[patience0830]

Oh, I don't know about that.



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Father of the year, that year.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I'm skeptical too. Like here in Indy, they report some 200+ homicides so far this year, but I would swear that we have been averaging at least one per day, if not multiples per day. Something doesn't add up.

We have multiple people SHOT per day in indy. Not everybody dies. That could be what is confusing.