Reid Says Obama Care Will Be Single Payer

[tenring]

Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system - Las Vegas Sun News

 

[mrjarrell]

So? Who didn't see that coming? At least he's being honest. Obamacare was always just a stepping stone to single payer.

 

[Manatee]

And that would be a bad thing because?

 

[mrjarrell]

And that would be a bad thing because?

Because it would put most health insurance companies out of business. It's not guaranteed that any government run, single payer system would make provisions for a separate insurance based system to exist alongside the governments single payer system. Basically, everyone would be forced into medicare/medicaid.

 

[cardio1]

And that would be a bad thing because?

Uh, see how that will work out for you 50 years from now. England has had a single payor system for 60 years and the attached is just a sample of their current state of care
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Patients facing eight-hour waits in ambulances outside A&E departments - Telegraph

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10184004/NHS-inquiry-Trust-by-trust-the-Keogh-Reports-findings.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Because it would put most health insurance companies out of business. It's not guaranteed that any government run, single payer system would make provisions for a separate insurance based system to exist alongside the governments single payer system. Basically, everyone would be forced into medicare/medicaid.

Not to mention it's another instrument of wealth redistribution; another means by which a bureaucrat will control your life and medical care; and...oh year, it's unconstitutional--recent SCOTUS decision notwithstanding.

 

[gun_nut]

And that would be a bad thing because?

Ever see a Brit with good teeth?

 

[Manatee]

Haven't heard many complaints from the folks on social security/medicare which I will join the ranks of all too soon.

Wealth redistribution: The confiscation of natural resources by those who have not fought for their country.

 

[Shadow8088]

Ever see a Brit with good teeth?

since when does health care cover dental?

 

[mrjarrell]

since when does health care cover dental?

It does in most country's that have single payer. No reason to doubt that it would here, either.

 

[Lex Concord]

And that would be a bad thing because?

Aside from the fact that nearly everything the government touches turns to , a single-payer system would almost certainly be used as an excuse to foist even more attempts at behavior control but at the federal level.

The existing semi-socialization of healthcare costs is already used in this manner at various levels. Imagine if all health care were paid from the (black-hole filled) public coffers.

 

[traderdan]

And that would be a bad thing because?

Was that a serious question?

 

[Captain Bligh]

The Affordable Care Act got so screwed up in the first place because of lobbying by insurance companies that wanted to ensure they had a way to market their services through the exchanges and continuing employer-based health insurance. I think a single payer system would be better although I would prefer it to be privatized. The government has not done a stellar job of administering Medicaid or Medicare. Running insurance companies (i.e. Medicaid & Medicare) should not be the business of government.

If a single payer system was funded by all the dollars from current employer insurance premiums, employee premium contributions, employee co-pays, Medicaid, & Medicare we'd have a better system than the Affordable Care Act. We don't have it because of the vested interests of insurance companies.

 

[IndyDave1776]

The Affordable Care Act got so screwed up in the first place because of lobbying by insurance companies that wanted to ensure they had a way to market their services through the exchanges and continuing employer-based health insurance. I think a single payer system would be better although I would prefer it to be privatized. The government has not done a stellar job of administering Medicaid or Medicare. Running insurance companies (i.e. Medicaid & Medicare) should not be the business of government.

If a single payer system was funded by all the dollars from current employer insurance premiums, employee premium contributions, employee co-pays, Medicaid, & Medicare we'd have a better system than the Affordable Care Act. We don't have it because of the vested interests of insurance companies.

I have a difficult time with laying the problem at the feet of the insurance companies. The first problem here is the .gov acting completely outside of its constitutional authority. That in itself is unacceptable and should be stopped promptly. The second problem affecting health care in general for years is labeling it fraud if the provider provides us with the same service at the same price paying cash that it provides when being paid via medicare/medicaid or insurance. In both cases, there is a stated cash rate and a discount rate paid by the .gov or insurance. Charging us the same constitutes fraud so far as the .gov and insurance are concerned. Further, providing people with the means to pay for medical treatment of dubious necessity by creating circumstances in which they have nothing to lose by running to the doctor at the first sneeze drives up costs by artificially creating demand that would not exist if these people had to pay themselves. This happens with the introduction of most any 'free' service. In the end, the free market would be the best solution, but it has been evicted from the discussion since before my lifetime, so get ready for socialized medicine in which you won't be able to get treatment unless you are on the edge of death, and not then unless the death panel decides you are worthy to live, based on factors specifically not including the extent to which you have already paid for the service you are likely to be denied.

 

[Lex Concord]

If a single payer system was funded by all the dollars from current employer insurance premiums, employee premium contributions, employee co-pays, Medicaid, & Medicare we'd have a better system than the Affordable Care Act.

When we get a single payer system, it will cost far more than all the money you just put in the bucket, care will be even worse and more costly than it is now, outcomes will be poorer, and tens of thousands of people that used to work for private insurance companies will be looking for new jobs, probably swelling the ranks of some new and wonderful federal bureaucracy. It's a lose-lose-lose-lose-lose proposition.

 

[IndyDave1776]

When we get a single payer system, it will cost far more than all the money you just put in the bucket, care will be even worse and more costly than it is now, outcomes will be poorer, and tens of thousands of people that used to work for private insurance companies will be looking for new jobs, probably swelling the ranks of some new and wonderful federal bureaucracy. It's a lose-lose-lose-lose-lose proposition.

Indeed so. The only people who gain from a single-payer system are those who put absolutely nothing in by virtue of anything they receive being more than they would have had otherwise. All others lose.

 

[HavokCycle]

ask ANY vet how well their gov run health care is working out for em.

 

[IndyDave1776]

ask ANY vet how well their gov run health care is working out for em.

From what I understand better than nothing is about the only thing that can be said for it, and not much better at that.

 

[CathyInBlue]

Exactly who is surprised by any of this?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Exactly who is surprised by any of this?

I predict a very small chance of finding anyone not certifiably deficient who would be surprised. The .gov screw things up? Who would believe such a thing? (apply purple as needed)