Reid Says Obama Care Will Be Single Payer

[Manatee]

Well, you won't have to worry about the ne'er do wells getting free VA care. 95% of those eligible for service never participated. We will have a huge medical burden caring for the wounded vets from the Gulf War and IraqII and Afghanistan. That check has already been written. And the famous "surge" which won us a victory in Iraq (bravo sierra), will probably result in the highest percentage of those checks of the entire Iraq war. So, please don't P*ss down my back and tell me you have studied it and it's precipitation.

Your understanding and beliefs related to Medicare are basically half-baked and dishonest. Get some numbers. As for the need to weight Medicare toward an income-based copay...yep, it's been talked about--first by the republicans, not those liberals you despise.

 

[Redhorse]

All this sounds like to me is more socialistic bs that multiple other countries have tried and find DONEST WORK that were going to do here because, that's right, when something fails in another country, we try it here. Makes total sense.

 

[Twangbanger]

... 95% of those eligible for service never participated....

But you're making my argument for me...which was, that when you take a system where a relatively small number of recipients benefit from the contributions of many, and you up-end that system and put all of society into it, the numbers simply don't work out the same. That's all.


And the smaller the number of participants covered by the original system, the stronger the case becomes, that the new, universal "cover everyone" system cannot possibly work so well.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

Haven't heard many complaints from the folks on social security/medicare which I will join the ranks of all too soon.

Wealth redistribution: The confiscation of natural resources by those who have not fought for their country.

Any time any payor is forced out of the market via diktat, it is a violation of the market and is thus an artifical construct and barrier in the market.
Not only will the efficiencies of capitalism create grey/black markets - as it tends to do the world over wherein governments think they can outsmart the market, the very nature of man - but the efficiencies of capitalism will also yield unintended consequences of a great magnitude given how great this particular barrier is.

I refuse to purchase health insurance. I refuse to go to the hospital. I reject the notion that I may be forced at the point of bayonet to buy a service I do not need for conditions I do not have for contingencies I do not utilize. If I had but one message to my government - notice the possessive use of 'my' - it would be this: subsidize this!

 

[Bummer]

Again, the question is: Do you believe in forcing others to pay your bills? Unfortunately for those who cling to the 'I've been paying in all my life' argument, they were asleep at the switch while the money was squandered. I will grant them that this totally sucks, but then again, why should I have to pay for something I will not likely ever receive because those before me failed to do their due diligence?

Interesting questions, Dave.

I've paid into the Social Security system since 1970. My money was given to people whose children and grandchildren were perfectly happy with the situation. After all, they didn't have to pay their parents' and grandparents' bills themselves. Some may have even kept the money those parents and grandparents had managed to save. Now those people see being forced to pay someone else's bills completely differently.

Interesting indeed.

You mention being asleep at the switch. What switch? To the extent it was possible, I've voted against this stuff since the mid '70s. The overwhelming majority were no more interested in my message then than they are now. As to any diligence that may have been due, precisely what was I to diligently do? I tried telling the Democrats no. I tried telling the Republicans no. What else should I have done? The Democrats and Republicans may have bickered about the details, but in the end they both said yes. Both Party's faithful kept putting in folks who said yes, so they must have been OK with it.

Yes, very interesting.

I have no doubt that Social Security, and much more of what the Federal Government does, including Obamacare, falls outside Constitutional authority. None the less, I have paid into it for over forty-three years. Laying the blame on me for being unable to stop it all seems more than a little inappropriate. I also believe the government, and by extension the people, have incurred a moral debt. Will that debt be paid? I don't know. I suppose it depends a lot on the honor of those whose grandparents and parents forced me to pay their bills.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

"Single Payer" my arse.... what a misnomer!
There's a hundred million or so workers in this country that will be paying royally for other people's health care under so-called "Single Payer".

If you want "Single Payer" it should be "I'll pay for my own darn health care - thankyouverymuch"...

 

[M1 carbine dad]

You know, in Drag Racing, when you run a certain time and know that your car is better than that, you make an adjustment and run again. ONE ADJUSTMENT. Then you see your results. Then, if that adjustment hurt your time you go back to the original setting, if it did nothing maybe you leave it alone. BUT, if it helped and you went faster, then you know you did the right thing. You don't make a run, then change your timing, your tire pressure, your fuel pressure, swap out nitrous bottles and tweak the fuel curve on your laptop and THEN make a pass.

That's exactly what O'care is doing. Is American healthcare as good as it can be? NO. But, it is good enough for many to make flights overseas to get care here. I've done CT's on several chaps from across the pond who routinely schedule a yearly flight to Indy because their cardiologist is here and they can get in a year in advance. And, if needed, they can get care THE SAME DAY. That tells me there's a HUGE problem overseas with how their healthcare is done.

So, we've taken our healthcare car and adjusted / changed nearly EVERYTHING on it and we're gonna make another pass down the track and see how she runs. From that perspective, O'care is dumb as a bag of sh*t.

Now, from a global population control perspective, it's freakin' brilliant. Forcing everyone to eventually have the same crappy standard of healthcare while the nobles have all the good doctors? Sign me up for Nobility please!

Meanwhile, the surfs suffer but not too much....gotta keep 'em producing after all. Eventually all the surfs who have any knowledge of how things used to be die, and all the new surfs that you've indoctrinated in your public school system don't know any better at all.

So, no thanks for socialized medicine. No thanks for fat arse politicians making decisions for MY children, MY wife and ME. How about we try a little personal responsibility in this nation, huh?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Interesting questions, Dave.

I didn't intend to direct blame to you personally but rather to the majority which failed to vote wisely. I am still left on the one hand feeling sympathy with those who expect to receive what they were given to understand they were paying for, yet not being inclined to consider myself personally responsible for a trainwreck preordained before I was born.