Right to Work Bill

[Cerberus]

OK ROADIE, CALEB, do you know what happens if the union I work for decides to strike .... guess what you don't have any food in the grocery stores in three days. Other that want is grow local. Do you have what is nessasary to sustain your family. At the turn of the century there wer on average of 110,000 railroad deaths @ year that were killed in work related accidents , YES 1 HUNDRED AND 10 THOUSAND PLUS. Now please argue that.

Primary source documentation please! Pay very strict attention the the word PRIMARY, if you know what that means.

 

[Marcinko]

Having worked in road construction for 5 yrs for a small minority owned non union sub contracting company. We were forced to go union by the union contractors that we sub contracted to. We were paid very well for what we did and the owner made sure to pay us the extra he was required to by law for govt jobs we worked on. I personally didnt like the fact that I now was going to have to pay union dues just to work a job.
Unions have their place but as others have eluded to, it is like extortion. You have to pay to play and it doesnt set well with me.

 

[.356luger]

Where in any job are you forced to join a union?

Oh and "all the money" unions give to the democrats is a joke the government forbids any one local to give more than 2000 dollars to any person running for office. Google right to work see how it effects a states economy. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the numbers unemployment, new business etc. With the exception of north Dakota who did strike oil but I'm pretty sure right to work didnt effect that.

 

[Caleb]

Where in any job are you forced to join a union?

Closed union shops

 

[ralphb72]

Message from Phil Pflum

Message I got from Phil Pflum today:

HOUSE GOP “CRAMS,” “RAMS” RIGHT TO WORK FOR LESS THROUGH COMMITTEE

Today, Indiana House Republicans denied Hoosiers the chance to debate “right to work for less” in a committee meeting.

The Republican majority on the Employment, Labor and Pensions Committee refused to let workers and House Democrats offer any proposals to change a bill that would offer fewer jobs for lower wages in unsafe workplaces if it becomes law.

My reply:

Good for them! Did you show up for work today? Good for you if you did, **** on you if you didn't. This hiding and running away is bull****. Just bring it before the house and senate and vote it up or down and be done with it. That is what you were hired to do so do your job and quit whining.

 

[Roadie]

Message I got from Phil Pflum today:

HOUSE GOP “CRAMS,” “RAMS” RIGHT TO WORK FOR LESS THROUGH COMMITTEE

Today, Indiana House Republicans denied Hoosiers the chance to debate “right to work for less” in a committee meeting.

The Republican majority on the Employment, Labor and Pensions Committee refused to let workers and House Democrats offer any proposals to change a bill that would offer fewer jobs for lower wages in unsafe workplaces if it becomes law.

My reply:

Good for them! Did you show up for work today? Good for you if you did, **** on you if you didn't. This hiding and running away is bull****. Just bring it before the house and senate and vote it up or down and be done with it. That is what you were hired to do so do your job and quit whining.

Where they get the "For Less" part from I will never know. The only one with the potential for less money is the Union bosses and the Dems, not the employees.

 

[.356luger]

Closed union shops

So don't work for them the choice is yours

 

[Roadie]

Where in any job are you forced to join a union?

Oh and "all the money" unions give to the democrats is a joke the government forbids any one local to give more than 2000 dollars to any person running for office. Google right to work see how it effects a states economy. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the numbers unemployment, new business etc. With the exception of north Dakota who did strike oil but I'm pretty sure right to work didnt effect that.

Didn't read the entire thread did ya?

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You'd better believe that the Dem are going to walk out. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

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[Roadie]

So don't work for them the choice is yours

So why shouldnt the choice be mine if I work for a non Union shop that goes Union later? I should just leave my job in this economy? Really?

Explain to me how this is a bad thing?

"Synopsis: Employee's right to work. Makes it a Class A misdemeanor to require an individual to: (1) become or remain a member of a labor organization; (2) pay dues, fees, or other charges to a labor organization; or (3) pay to a charity or another third party an amount that represents dues, fees, or other charges required of members of a labor organization; as a condition of employment or continuation of employment. Establishes a separate private right of action for violations or threatened violations."

Also, I will ask this question, again..

If you have to use Government intervention to FORCE someone to join a Union because they will choose NOT to without it, what does that say about the Unions?

 

[.356luger]

So why shouldnt the choice be mine if I work for a non Union shop that goes Union later? I should just leave my job in this economy? Really?

Oh because the "union mafia" forced your shop to go union. As opposed to talking to your fellow workers. Giving them info and letting them make their own choice. You have your right to oppose it.

 

[Stschil]

Where in any job are you forced to join a union?

Oh and "all the money" unions give to the democrats is a joke the government forbids any one local to give more than 2000 dollars to any person running for office. Google right to work see how it effects a states economy. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the numbers unemployment, new business etc. With the exception of north Dakota who did strike oil but I'm pretty sure right to work didnt effect that.

Ever heard of a Political Action Commitee?

PACs are now used as a way to devote unlimited amounts of money on Federal Campaigns even though the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, commonly refered to as McCain-Feingold, was supposed to "get the money out of politics".
Locals may only donate $2k to a candidate, but they arent limited to an amount to a PAC. Besides, The big money comes from the Nationals anyway.

Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Cerberus]

Oh because the "union mafia" forced your shop to go union. As opposed to talking to your fellow workers. Giving them info and letting them make their own choice. You have your right to oppose it.

But not the right to opt out of it. Sorry taking my money and giving it to thugs and socialist ain't a good investment.

And now I will re-ask Roadie's queation again. "If you have to use Government intervention to FORCE someone to join a Union because they will choose NOT to without it, what does that say about the Unions?"

 

[Roadie]

Oh because the "union mafia" forced your shop to go union. As opposed to talking to your fellow workers. Giving them info and letting them make their own choice. You have your right to oppose it.

Very telling that you edited out, and ignored, the rest of my post..

Great, my fellow workers voted for it, I however, do not want my money going to democrat causes, and refuse to join. I should have that CHOICE, but YOU think I should have to look for another job instead..

So, how about going back, reading both my previous posts, and actually responding to the facts and questions posed to you?

 

[goinggreyfast]

Typical--they were loud, crass, obnoxious, and totally void of taste or class. Whodathunkit?

 

[rooster007]

Did I just read up thread a union guy make a generally threatening statement about if they went on strike we would run out of food in 3 days? That is typically what I think of when I think of unions, give us what we want or we will make everyone suffer regardless.

No threat here just a fact if we go on strike you will not have food

 

[flagtag]

No threat here just a fact if we go on strike you will not have food

Unless people get smart and stock up before hand. (Should anyway) Pass the word. Protect yourselves. (Not just because of the threat of a strike, but weather, traitorous government, etc.)

 

[NYFelon]

No threat here just a fact if we go on strike you will not have food

we'll just eat the picketers.

 

[BumpShadow]

we'll just eat the picketers.

We get food, the picketers don't have to deal with unacceptable working conditions, everyone wins!!

No, wait...

 

[bwframe]

No threat here just a fact if we go on strike you will not have food

Has a strike ever stopped food from coming to market before?

 

[BumpShadow]

Has a strike ever stopped food from coming to market before?

I believe in times like these, companies use scabs.