Round in Chamber

[Manatee]

Ah, the old "Validating a silly concept by acknowledging others who also embrace it" philosophy. It doesn't make the concept any less silly.

Let's see, IDF versus an unknown like you?

You've GOT to be kidding if you think your argument has merit.

 

[Birds Away]

Your Springfield has a firing pin block. The gun will not discharge unless the trigger is fully depressed. If you are carrying in a holster that covers the trigger then the only way for you to have an accidental or negligent discharge is if you pull the trigger. Instead of practicing racking the slide after drawing you should practice drawing without you finger entering the trigger guard. If you don't pull the trigger it will not go off. Just keep your booger hook off the bang switch and carry in a quality holster that covers the trigger. You carry a firearm to defend your life and the lives of your loved ones. Be ready to do so or you might as well leave it at home in the safe.

 

[chezuki]

Let's see, IDF versus an unknown like you?

You've GOT to be kidding if you think your argument has merit.

Please carry with an empty chamber.

 

[Manatee]

I didn't know that! Any insight as to why? I mean, they are obviously trained in the use of their firearms so why carry with the chamber empty?

A number of Federal agencies do it differently. I won't start a pie fight here.

As I said, do what you feel comfortable with. In my own case, it is situational. Sometimes I don't carry at all. Sometimes I'm cocked and locked. YOU must make your own decision and don't listen to any of us.

 

[Manatee]

Please carry with an empty chamber.

Please don't go away mad. Just go away.

 

[churchmouse]

A number of Federal agencies do it differently. I won't start a pie fight here.

As I said, do what you feel comfortable with. In my own case, it is situational. Sometimes I don't carry at all. Sometimes I'm cocked and locked. YOU must make your own decision and don't listen to any of us.

Yup.

 

[dans4420]

Cops have been carrying with one in the chamber for a billion years, how many times have you heard of a gun going off by itself in a holster. Usually when there's a ND it because someone got foolish on handling the gun outta the holster.

 

[CPT Nervous]

Let's see, IDF versus an unknown like you?

You've GOT to be kidding if you think your argument has merit.

I think his argument has tons of merit. Carrying an unloaded gun is stupid, no matter who does it.

 

[horsehaulin]

No point in carrying if it's NOT ready

Like EvilElmo states, "Without a round loaded that thing's just an expensive paperweight".

wizard.......condition 0 and ready to roll

What he said!

 

[CPT Nervous]

Yup.

Nöp.

 

[bingley]

Some handguns were not safe to carry chambered

Can you give some examples? I thought it was just "one of those policies."

The Israeli train to have an empty chamber. The Austrian police shoots the first round in the air so they can get the SA in a DA/SA pistol. However you carry, make sure you can do what you need quickly and well.

If you're going to Mexican carry, I'd recommend an empty chamber.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Carrying in the military and carrying for self defense are two different concepts. I don't have a squad of buddies to back me up, I don't have scouts out, I don't have a concept of "acceptable casualties", I don't have a medic with me, etc. Get this out of your head right now: Because X military does it, I should too.

I have the advantage of experience of carrying as a soldier, as a security contractor for the military, a cop, and an armed citizen. In each of these roles I had different goals and different resources. I have carried on an empty chamber in a military context. I have not, and will never, carry on an empty chamber for self defense or law enforcement purposes. Why? Sudden encounters. The possibility of learning I'm in an encounter by being wounded. When I worked in a military context, I had a medic to treat me and buddies to return fire. In a self defense scenario, and most police action shootings, what I have is me. I will not handicap myself by requiring both hands to work my weapon. I will not handicap myself with unnecessary preparations before I'm ready to fire.

Either get over it or carry a revolver. A revolver can be carried over an empty chamber and still goes off with a single trigger pull (the cylinder rotates as the hammer moves, depending on the brand you fire either the one directly left or directly right of the one currently under the hammer).

 

[Manatee]

Cops have been carrying with one in the chamber for a billion years, how many times have you heard of a gun going off by itself in a holster. Usually when there's a ND it because someone got foolish on handling the gun outta the holster.

References please. A link to a statistical survey would be ideal.

ps. you don't have to go back a billion years. Perhaps start when semi-automatics became prevalent.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

Note: This did not originate with the Israeli Army and/or IDF.

Secondly: Condition 3 carry was the preferred method of carry for MANY militaries and civilians for the majority of the 20th century.

CPT Nervous has it right: IDF adopted that style to overcome a lack of training and multiple platforms.

Also, in a military setting such as Israel has been living under for 60 years - it suits their IDF because they're more of a reactionary force. I can guarantee that those who are on the "front lines" of security duties have a round chambered.

To put it as I've read before: CORPORATE threat. In other words, they are not armed to combat a PERSONAL threat to themselves only, but rather to protect all those around them. C3 is perfect for this situation as it assumes that a gun is not pointing directly at "you", but rather there is a threat toward "us".

We, as civilians, train/practice/prepare for personal threats. Threats that we don't know when, where, or how it will happen.

It's wholly different if you, as an IDF member, are sitting in an office building 25 stories up with your pistol in C3. (just making that up - don't know if that's a possibility or not?). Something goes down on the street below and you go rushing down there - only to chamber your first round on the way to meet the threat. You have the foreknowledge and time to get that done.

I/we just don't have the luxury. And if I DID have the luxury of knowing, I'd opt for something other than a puny pistol.

-J-

 

[Mark 1911]

I always carry with one in the chamber. Whether I have enough time to rack the slide or not, I don't know. If some loon charges me from 20 feet, then I probably don't have time. I'll give myself as much advantage as I can.

 

[jd4320t]

You CAN NOT get a round in the chamber quick enough. You will be shot, stabbed or whatever with your weak hand still on the slide.

 

[churchmouse]

Note: This did not originate with the Israeli Army and/or IDF.

Secondly: Condition 3 carry was the preferred method of carry for MANY militaries and civilians for the majority of the 20th century.

CPT Nervous has it right: IDF adopted that style to overcome a lack of training and multiple platforms.

Also, in a military setting such as Israel has been living under for 60 years - it suits their IDF because they're more of a reactionary force. I can guarantee that those who are on the "front lines" of security duties have a round chambered.

To put it as I've read before: CORPORATE threat. In other words, they are not armed to combat a PERSONAL threat to themselves only, but rather to protect all those around them. C3 is perfect for this situation as it assumes that a gun is not pointing directly at "you", but rather there is a threat toward "us".

We, as civilians, train/practice/prepare for personal threats. Threats that we don't know when, where, or how it will happen.

It's wholly different if you, as an IDF member, are sitting in an office building 25 stories up with your pistol in C3. (just making that up - don't know if that's a possibility or not?). Something goes down on the street below and you go rushing down there - only to chamber your first round on the way to meet the threat. You have the foreknowledge and time to get that done.

I/we just don't have the luxury. And if I DID have the luxury of knowing, I'd opt for something other than a puny pistol.

-J-

My pistols are not puny...they are mighty.............

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

what has 2 thumbs and a round in the chamber? this guy.

 

[tec]

I carry with a round in the chamber. I do keep the physical safety on, though. I figure I can slide the safety off as I'm de-holstering.

 

[Regnar]

Should You Carry A Round In The Chamber? - YouTube
Sure, doesn't cover every scenario, but may make some think.