Russia vs. Ukraine Part 3

[Brad69]

The Ukraine Army is literally grabbing men off the streets and sending them to the Front. Word has got out that it’s a meat grinder.
The Commies had just went back to what they know straight Soviet doctrine. Mass artillery attacks followed by wave assaults. Tanks are escorted by infantry with logistics much closer to the front than before.
The Russians have air superiority, artillery superiority, armor
superiority, Unlimited manpower.

Looks like one of the M1 kills was from a T72 B3M at 6000m at night.

 

[Brad69]

We need to send more stuff the Russians are running out of targets.

 

[Ark]

"Trump has suggested a workable and novel way for Congress to help Ukraine."​

MSN

As the Russian-Ukrainian war enters a pivotal year, supporters of Ukraine face similar political opposition in the House of Representatives where the Speaker has declared a Senate-passed funding bill dead on arrival.

How to resolve the impasse and help Ukraine? Of all people, former President Donald Trump has suggested a workaround -- convert the cost of the weapons transfers into a loan. Trump even specified that the loan would bear no interest and would only be paid "if Ukraine ever strikes it rich."

Counter offer, pay us up front in gold bullion at market rate for our weapons or you don't get anything.

 

[nra4ever]

 

[DadSmith]

It looks like the fight will continue for awhile longer.

 

[Thor]

They don't plan to stop until they've taken all of Poland and at least half of Germany...the Czech and Slav republics, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Finland and Alaska.

Fight them now or fight them later but you will be fighting them.

 

[smokingman]

Narrative change.

Pope Francis Urges Ukraine To Have 'Courage Of The White Flag' & Negotiate End To War | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[smokingman]

So a recap of all this. Ukraine was pretty much ran by Russia, or at least influenced and Russians lived there and its on their border. In 2014 CIA overthrew the Ukraine government and set up that US, Britain and (good) Ukrianes would run the country kicking the Russians out. Ukraine then becomes the 51st state of America.

The Bidens and others come in to start up $$ laundering for politicians to get rich and Black Rock comes in to get rich on business. Meanwhile Russia loses more ground and sees what the CIA and America is doing and for some unknown reason(Like banning the Russian language, and killing 14k+ civilians in Donbass shelling city after city) takes offense this is being done to a country on their border.

And to think if the CIA had just stayed out, politicians and business gotta do something I guess. Its only our money. What am I missing here?

The national police of Ukraine became(and still are in places like Odessa) just like the German SS in WW2(and the entire thing is run by a "former" neonazi named Ivan Vyhivskyi after Serhiy Knyazev was replaced for being openly a NAZI in 2019).

By late September 2015, 2,000 new constables were on duty in Kyiv, 800 were on duty in Kharkiv and 1,700 were on duty in the cities of Odesa. At this point, the militsiya is 152,000 officers strong, and continue to handle most policing across Ukraine(can keep you from getting drafted to). As the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine progressed, the National Police helped in the war effort by maintaining law and order in Ukrainian-controlled areas, escorting prisoners, operating checkpoints, capturing infiltrators and detaining prisoners of war.[26][27] By 1 March, 17 policemen were killed, 50 injured and 2 missing in action.[27](152,000 and since the invasion 17 have died(does not say how) 50 injured 2 missing. I think they are faring better than average Ukrainian males).

Ukrayinska Pravda collected (from open sources) 64 crimes allegedly committed by Ukrainian police officers from 1 January 2020 until 30 May 2020.[63] Cases ranged from extortion to rape to killings(from that point forward no one but the OSCE dared report anything, even their reporting was limited...but kidnappings, rapes, and murders total over 320 in their 2021 report). The OSCE left Ukraine in 2022. Their last report was about Kiev shelling civilians in the Donbass. Silence on anything done since.

Somewhere in one of the early threads on this I posted the Time magazine article with that last OSCE report. The article was released 2 days before Russia invaded. The same day Putin said the shelling needed to stop or he would be forced to take action. I have no idea why the western media have not mentioned this.

 

[actaeon277]

Narrative change.

Pope Francis Urges Ukraine To Have 'Courage Of The White Flag' & Negotiate End To War | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Let him demonstrate, by surrendering the Vatican and all it's holdings.
Otherwise.. no substance

 

[smokingman]

Let him demonstrate, by surrendering the Vatican and all it's holdings.
Otherwise.. no substance

Pretty sure that already happened.

Pope Francis says priests can bless same-sex couples but marriage is between a man and a woman

Pope Francis has formally approved allowing priests to bless same-sex couples.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[actaeon277]

Pretty sure that already happened.

Pope Francis says priests can bless same-sex couples but marriage is between a man and a woman

Pope Francis has formally approved allowing priests to bless same-sex couples.

www.cbsnews.com

And yet, the Vatican still remains under control of the Catholic Church.
And their holdings haven't been liquidated.

 

[smokingman]

And yet, the Vatican still remains under control of the Catholic Church.
And their holdings haven't been liquidated.

No just invested with Rothchild's in France,US, Luxenburg, and EU(for equity capitalism and the environment... Marxism/communism) .

Dangerous alliance of Rothschild and Vatican of Francis

HOLY Moly! The most globalist and interventionist Pope since the Crusades of the 12th century has formalised an alliance with the largest figures in global finance led by none other than that noble...

www.newagebd.net

CEOs join Vatican in push for ‘system change’

Council for Inclusive Capitalism pledges to uphold ‘social contract.’

www.politico.eu

Lady de Rothschild’s road to the Vatican | Reuters Events | Sustainable Business

“Listen to the cry of the Earth and the cry of the poor.” Five years on from Pope Francis’s call for mankind to take heed of the climate crisis and care for our “common home”, his message has landed in the highest echelons of global capitalism. Last week, a group of 27 titans of global business...

www.reutersevents.com

 

[Brad69]

Notice lack of coverage in the media of Ukraine.
You do have Ukraine fans that are calling for more aid. It’s not helping the commies have knocked out about all the Patriots, HIMARS, Artillery that we gave them.
Russian’s have air superiority and have massed forces. Short of nuclear weapons what can we do?

 

[Kdf101]

Notice lack of coverage in the media of Ukraine.
You do have Ukraine fans that are calling for more aid. It’s not helping the commies have knocked out about all the Patriots, HIMARS, Artillery that we gave them.
Russian’s have air superiority and have massed forces. Short of nuclear weapons what can we do?

This is a war of attrition, which is really bad for Ukraine. One of the problems they have is that they don’t have a well trained and rehearsed army with which to do anything else. It takes a ton of time and effort to get maneuver and combined arms warfare down. They don’t have the time or money, especially time for that. The other thing they don’t have is the manpower. They have taken huge losses. The result is they are forced into a type of warfare that they likely can’t win. Even new wonder weapons from the west probably won’t change that. This slow, grinding type of fight will most likely result in an eventual Russian breakthrough at some point. Ukraine has done well, but I would estimate they are closer to the end now than they are to the beginning of this thing.

 

[Brad69]

The Ukraines attempt to attack the northern border with Russia.
It was probably a feint did not go well for the Ukraines. Take three French advanced artillery systems off the board.

 

[smokingman]

300 million in new weapons from the US just went to Ukraine.
It is a good thing the Pentagon just keeps finding money to send them.

US announces surprise $300m for Ukraine

The US announced a surprise $300 million military aid shipment for Ukraine on Tuesday after Pentagon accountants found savings in a budget that was presumed to be exhausted.

www.yahoo.com

But 300 million...come on cheat better. Last time you guys came up with 6.2 Billion just laying around(since funding ran out in Nov of 2023 we have sent another 16.8 billion including the presidential draw downs of just over 200 million. 10 Billion of that not approved of, and is overdrawn.

How the US keeps funding Ukraine's military — even as it says it's out of money

The White House says money for Ukraine has run out, and it has been increasing pressure on Congress to pass legislation to support war against Russia.

apnews.com

Biden Finds $300 Million In More Arms For Ukraine Even As Pentagon's Own Stockpile Diminished | ZeroHedge

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[Kdf101]

300 million in new weapons from the US just went to Ukraine.
It is a good thing the Pentagon just keeps finding money to send them.

US announces surprise $300m for Ukraine

The US announced a surprise $300 million military aid shipment for Ukraine on Tuesday after Pentagon accountants found savings in a budget that was presumed to be exhausted.

www.yahoo.com

But 300 million...come on cheat better. Last time you guys came up with 6.2 Billion just laying around(since funding ran out in Nov of 2023 we have sent another 6.8 billion including the presidential draw downs of just over 200 million.

How the US keeps funding Ukraine's military — even as it says it's out of money

The White House says money for Ukraine has run out, and it has been increasing pressure on Congress to pass legislation to support war against Russia.

apnews.com

I hope we don’t need this stuff at some point in the future. The whole point of reserves is so that you have something in, well, reserve.

 

[smokingman]

I hope we don’t need this stuff at some point in the future. The whole point of reserves is so that you have something in, well, reserve.

3 weeks. That is how long they think we would have enough ammo for in a real war(that was before the last two shipments).

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We went from 51 primary military suppliers for US munitions in 1995 to currently just 5.

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Air Force Plans to Divest 250 Aircraft in 2025, Shrinking Fleet to New Low

The Air Force plans to divest 250 aircraft in fiscal year 2025 dropping its total aircraft inventory below 5,000, according to its budget.

www.airandspaceforces.com

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news.usni.org

Army continues focus on munitions amid Ukraine war, China tensions

The service is also seeking alternatives to its long-range cannon program amid technical problems.

www.defenseone.com

Pushing The Woke Agenda On The Military: A Preview In A 1973 Letter From A Combat Veteran - Armed Forces Press

The delegitimization of assimilation and legitimization of focus on identity differences immediately yields to tribalization, weakening unit cohesion.

armedforces.press

 

[Ark]

3 weeks. That is how long they think we would have enough ammo for in a real war(that was before the last two shipments).

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www.realcleardefense.com

We went from 51 primary military suppliers for US munitions in 1995 to currently just 5.

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www.realcleardefense.com

Air Force Plans to Divest 250 Aircraft in 2025, Shrinking Fleet to New Low

The Air Force plans to divest 250 aircraft in fiscal year 2025 dropping its total aircraft inventory below 5,000, according to its budget.

www.airandspaceforces.com

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news.usni.org

Army continues focus on munitions amid Ukraine war, China tensions

The service is also seeking alternatives to its long-range cannon program amid technical problems.

www.defenseone.com

Pushing The Woke Agenda On The Military: A Preview In A 1973 Letter From A Combat Veteran - Armed Forces Press

The delegitimization of assimilation and legitimization of focus on identity differences immediately yields to tribalization, weakening unit cohesion.

armedforces.press

I've been trying to keep a mind to the "big lessons" of this conflict for the US and the world moving forward. Chief among them seems to be:

-However much ammo you have, it's not enough. Actual peer state wars annihilate missiles and artillery at a ludicrous pace, and however much you have on hand, you need to multiply it by at least 20x before hostilities begin. The claim of precise and powerful weapons making volume obsolete with their pinpoint accuracy have been proven false. Volume wins.

-War is still fought, won, and lost by infantry. Modern weapons have increased the importance of infantry closing with and destroying infantry, not made it obsolete. Killing other people face to face is as relevant as ever.

-Modern anti-air systems are exceptionally good and the likely outcome of peer state conflicts in the future is general denial of air operations to everyone and wars being fought on the ground with infantry, artillery, and high volume of smaller munitions.

 

[smokingman]

I've been trying to keep a mind to the "big lessons" of this conflict for the US and the world moving forward. Chief among them seems to be:

-However much ammo you have, it's not enough. Actual peer state wars annihilate missiles and artillery at a ludicrous pace, and however much you have on hand, you need to multiply it by at least 20x before hostilities begin. The claim of precise and powerful weapons making volume obsolete with their pinpoint accuracy have been proven false. Volume wins.

-War is still fought, won, and lost by infantry. Modern weapons have increased the importance of infantry closing with and destroying infantry, not made it obsolete. Killing other people face to face is as relevant as ever.

-Modern anti-air systems are exceptionally good and the likely outcome of peer state conflicts in the future is general denial of air operations to everyone and wars being fought on the ground with infantry, artillery, and high volume of smaller munitions.

"Ukrainian officials from President Volodymyr Zelensky downwards have almost daily pleaded for longer range air defense weapons to fend off the Russian aerial threat. The F-16 combat aircraft on which Ukrainian pilots are now training are unlikely to take to the skies over Ukraine until the second half of the year but may force Russian combat aircraft to stay further away.

In the meantime, Ukrainian forces on the frontlines, especially in Donetsk, are exposed to a blitz of Russian air strikes - sometimes more than 100 in a day, according to the Ukrainian General Staff." The western media may have exaggerated how ineffective the Russian air force has been. Seems 100 sorties a day, in just one area of the front line even if it is just dropping FAB 500 and 1500's is fairly effective.

Yuri Ihnat, Ukrainian air force spokesman, told CNN: “On the eve of and during the battle of Avdiivka hundreds of air bombs were launched within days. There were 250 of them used in Avdiivka direction in 48 hours only.(FAB 500s and 1500s)”

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www.cnn.com

The rest I agree with. I will add if you have anti air you better have ammo for them as well.