Russian FSB training drills

[Jackson]

Public math is a tougher course over there!!! BTw, why was there only one guy wearing the balaklava?

That was me. I didn't want anyone from INGO to recognize me.

 

[esrice]

Regardless of our feelings of the posted drill, the question we should be asking ourselves is "could I pass it?" If you carry a gun I hope your answer is "yes".

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

Regardless of our feelings of the posted drill, the question we should be asking ourselves is "could I pass it?" If you carry a gun I hope your answer is "yes".

Disagree.

These really are top-tier "operators". This is "top tier operator stuff".

Average Joe Schmoe from Greenwood honestly doesn't really need to be trained for the same kinds of things that these folks are.

 

[wtfd661]

Regardless of our feelings of the posted drill, the question we should be asking ourselves is "could I pass it?" If you carry a gun I hope your answer is "yes".

Not without a calculator

 

[cedartop]

Disagree.

These really are top-tier "operators". This is "top tier operator stuff".

Average Joe Schmoe from Greenwood honestly doesn't really need to be trained for the same kinds of things that these folks are.

Actually, I sorta agree with Indy Guy here. I don't really have a problem with the clip given the context, mission and level of training of the participants. On the other hand, I sure won't be asking an of my students to do this. At least not with live weapons. Airsoft or simmunitions, sure.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Regardless of our feelings of the posted drill, the question we should be asking ourselves is "could I pass it?" If you carry a gun I hope your answer is "yes".

I don't even speak Russian, let alone do math in Russian.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Mehhh.
Solve a tripple integral, come up with a cool new dimensionless number with Buckingham's pi theorem, etc. while not shooting your classmates, THEN I'll be impressed.

 

[esrice]

Disagree.

These really are top-tier "operators". This is "top tier operator stuff".

Average Joe Schmoe from Greenwood honestly doesn't really need to be trained for the same kinds of things that these folks are.

Actually, I sorta agree with Indy Guy here. I don't really have a problem with the clip given the context, mission and level of training of the participants. On the other hand, I sure won't be asking an of my students to do this. At least not with live weapons. Airsoft or simmunitions, sure.

Don't misunderstand my point. I'm not suggesting that this drill be incorporated into the NRA Basic curriculum, or that everyone should try it on their next range outing.

I'm suggesting that carrying a gun in public requires one to be able to shoot around the public. That means shooting under stress, with moving targets and backdrops, yelling and screaming, thinking and decision making, being bumped into, etc. That's what the drill is simulating. We (general "we") may scoff at the risk these guys are taking, but truth is they are training closer to reality than we are. I realize the risk:reward ratio on this drill (and other 'confidence drills') is a little lopsided for most of us, but I don't deny that those who train that way will be inherently better prepared than those who do not.

Shooting a pistol under stress isn't "top tier operator stuff"-- fast-roping from a helicopter with a carbine is.

 

[lovemachine]

When is ACT incorporating this kind of training in their schedule?

 

[iChokePeople]

When is ACT incorporating this kind of training in their schedule?

don't let cosermann's daughters see this. They already like psycho math challenges on the range.

 

[Jackson]

Shooting a pistol under stress isn't "top tier operator stuff"-- fast-roping from a helicopter with a carbine is.

Not if you have a ski mask. As soon as I put it on... Boom! I'm fast-roping and HALO jumping.

 

[esrice]

Not if you have a ski mask. As soon as I put it on... Boom! I'm fast-roping and HALO jumping.

But you're . . . . . special.

 

[rhino]

Mehhh.
Solve a tripple integral, come up with a cool new dimensionless number with Buckingham's pi theorem, etc. while not shooting your classmates, THEN I'll be impressed.

Child's Play!

How about a closed form solution to a set of simultaneous, 3-dimensional, time-dependent partial differential equations like this little gem from fluid dynamics, the classic Navier-Stokes Equations:

 

[iChokePeople]

Child's Play!

How about a closed form solution to a set of simultaneous, 3-dimensional, time-dependent partial differential equations like this little gem from fluid dynamics, the classic Navier-Stokes Equations:

Easy. Beer. The answer to EVERY fluid dynamics question is beer.

 

[jason]

Child's Play!

How about a closed form solution to a set of simultaneous, 3-dimensional, time-dependent partial differential equations like this little gem from fluid dynamics, the classic Navier-Stokes Equations:

Is...is that english? or are you referencing some sci-fi fake math joke?


On a more serious note, parts of that video are definitely possible within the realm of something as "mundane" as home defense.

 

[Fordtough25]

Don't misunderstand my point. I'm not suggesting that this drill be incorporated into the NRA Basic curriculum, or that everyone should try it on their next range outing.

I'm suggesting that carrying a gun in public requires one to be able to shoot around the public. That means shooting under stress, with moving targets and backdrops, yelling and screaming, thinking and decision making, being bumped into, etc. That's what the drill is simulating. We (general "we") may scoff at the risk these guys are taking, but truth is they are training closer to reality than we are. I realize the risk:reward ratio on this drill (and other 'confidence drills') is a little lopsided for most of us, but I don't deny that those who train that way will be inherently better prepared than those who do not.

Shooting a pistol under stress isn't "top tier operator stuff"-- fast-roping from a helicopter with a carbine is.

I am a nobody on the internet, but I agree with Esrice. If you think there won't be innocents/the world in general all around the bad guys when you need to use your EDC you are crazy. And that doesn't even touch adding the stress and environmental factors into the equation. I think this video is crazy, LAV said they were nuts on his show. Lol. But being able to hit your target safely and quickly is what self defense should be all about. My two cents anyways not that it matters.

 

[Maximinus Thrax]

I'd be curious to train under stress conditions with live barriers if I were handed some sort of paintball or simunition round. I don't see the point in live ammo. All I can do at the moment is practice basic fundamentals and save up for some more advanced classes.

Granted, they value life differently than we do but at what point does the level of investment of time and training make an individual valuable enough to not use as a prop? Perhaps they are also training trust into the meat shields?

 

[cedartop]

I am a nobody on the internet, but I agree with Esrice. If you think there won't be innocents/the world in general all around the bad guys when you need to use your EDC you are crazy. And that doesn't even touch adding the stress and environmental factors into the equation. I think this video is crazy, LAV said they were nuts on his show. Lol. But being able to hit your target safely and quickly is what self defense should be all about. My two cents anyways not that it matters.

Well yea. Your point is spot on. I just don't plan on putting bulletproof vests on students and let them shoot each other. Call me crazy.

 

[Fordtough25]

Well yea. Your point is spot on. I just don't plan on putting bulletproof vests on students and let them shoot each other. Call me crazy.

I agree, changing out the live person part for cardboard torso's sans bulletproof vests is a good call. From what I understand that level of training leads into the FOF aspect for us "normal" folks. So we don't shoot each other anyways.

 

[iChokePeople]

Well yea. Your point is spot on. I just don't plan on putting bulletproof vests on students and let them shoot each other. Call me crazy.

I agree -- the vests are a crutch for the weak and should not be used. HTFU.