School Bullying laws are sweeping the nation

[WillBrayJr]

I'm confused. Was this before or after the time when you were 13 and fought back and no one ever bothered you again or after the time when you were 18 and fought back and no one ever bothered you again?

YOU'RE confused? When did I ever say I fought back when I was 13 years old and no one ever bothered me again? NOW I'm confused.

 

[Eddie]

The whole point is that kids shouldn't feel the need to fight in school. It's a place to learn, not "Lord of the Flies".

Leave that kind of crap in the neighborhoods. It can stay out of schools.

I have very seriously wanted to shoot bullies in the head. Had it all planned out, just never acted on it. It was going to be sweet sweet revenge.

Turns out people are a lot easier to hunt than any animal. They're very predictable.

I think I would feel safer with kids fighting in school instead of shooting each other.

 

[rambone]

Two of them were walking down the street I lived on in Niles, MI. I grabbed the Chainsaw I owned at the time with every intention of hacking them up. When my grandmother asked what I was going to do with the Chainsaw, all nine "family" members jumped on me.

 

[Eddie]

Up until I was about 13, I refused to fight. Got beat up alot. Most memorable was when the shortest kid in the neighborhood decided to beat me up after we got off the school bus. Long story short: I threw my lunchbox at him and cut open his ear; the rest of the kids piled on me, and I was "saved" by my grandmother chasing them off with a broom.

By the time I was 13 I'd had enough. Got into 3 fights with my "favorite" bullies in 4 hours one day. Never was bothered by them again. My last fight was in high school. A guy picked a fight w/me off the school grounds. Since I'd been wrestling for 6 years by that point, I took him down and controlled him until my wrestling coach happened by and broke it up. I got a 3-day suspension.

I stabbed a Bully in chest with a pencil. The School gave me a 10-Day OSS on the spot. Got a call shortly after getting home and was told I was Expelled. Up to that point I never felt better in my life.

Why would I do that? Like me, most of Society isn't very fond of Law Enforcement.

When I was 18 years old I had enough of the BS and did fight back. Was charged with Misdemeanor Simple Assault. When I pled Not Guilty the DA dropped that and charged me with Aggravated Domestic Violence. On top of that the DA charged me with an additional 4 Year Felony. There was two Plea Deals offered, 1 Felony, or 2 Misdemeanors. I took the 2 Misdemeanors.

Since that day in 2002 no one has even dared to lay a finger on me.

Two of them were walking down the street I lived on in Niles, MI. I grabbed the Chainsaw I owned at the time with every intention of hacking them up. When my grandmother asked what I was going to do with the Chainsaw, all nine "family" members jumped on me.

YOU'RE confused? When did I ever say I fought back when I was 13 years old and no one ever bothered me again? NOW I'm confused.

My bad, I confused your posts with one of Blackhawk's.

 

[ATOMonkey]

I think I would feel safer with kids fighting in school instead of shooting each other.

Well, you can't seperate the two. If I'm picked on at school and get beat up, I'm scoping out sniper positions after school.

You guys just don't understand the level of mental torment that accompanies bullying. I've tried to explain it numerous times, but unless you've actually been tormented like that for YEARS by the same group of people, you'll just never fully understand.

Bullying is more than just picking on a kid, it's more than just getting into fights. It's the systematic metal and physical torment of a CHILD by a group of children and often is sanctioned by those in charge in order to "toughen them up." You have no idea what it feels like to KNOW there's a good possibility you're going to get beat everyday and that there's nothing you can do about it, and the people in charge won't help you. Even if you're not physically beaten there is always the mental torment. They just break you down every day and it just kills your self esteem until one day you just snap.

Luckily, I had a very spiritual revival when I was 17 and was able to forgive them. I haven't wanted to hurt anyone since then.

 

[dross]

Well, you can't seperate the two. If I'm picked on at school and get beat up, I'm scoping out sniper positions after school.

You guys just don't understand the level of mental torment that accompanies bullying. I've tried to explain it numerous times, but unless you've actually been tormented like that for YEARS by the same group of people, you'll just never fully understand.

Bullying is more than just picking on a kid, it's more than just getting into fights. It's the systematic metal and physical torment of a CHILD by a group of children and often is sanctioned by those in charge in order to "toughen them up." You have no idea what it feels like to KNOW there's a good possibility you're going to get beat everyday and that there's nothing you can do about it, and the people in charge won't help you. Even if you're not physically beaten there is always the mental torment. They just break you down every day and it just kills your self esteem until one day you just snap.

Luckily, I had a very spiritual revival when I was 17 and was able to forgive them. I haven't wanted to hurt anyone since then.

I understand. I was bullied in junior high for the first couple of years before I learned how to deal with it. The teachers are a big part of the problem, many of them seem to identify with the bullies more than those who are picked on, especially if the bullies are the popular kids.

After high school, I ran into one of the tough guys from high school. I was on leave from the 82nd Abn, back in my home town to get married. My bachelor party consisted of me and my best man going out for a drink in the local dive bar in my home town. My best man was a soldier in my unit who'd been a cop in Texas before he enlisted. Joe was 6'4", about 210 pounds. In high school I was a 5'11" 170 pound tennis player, and I looked skinnier than I was. After joining the Army I grew to 6'2", and discovered weight training, so I weighed about 225.

We ran into this guy who had been one of the toughest kids in school. He had run with a rough crowd, been in many fights, and had even been shot in a drive by on school property. This was in 1978, mind you, so the phrase "driveby shooting" hadn't even been invented.

Anyway, Joe and I go to the bar in our uniforms, maroon berets, jump boots, etc.. This guy approached and asked if he knew me. I told him who I was and he just about lost it. He spent the rest of the night buying us drinks and drunkenly fawning over us. The worm had definitely turned.

The interesting thing I got from that is that all the tough kids and bullies were just as confused as everyone else, trying to get through some very weird years. Unfortunately, they're served just as poorly by the teachers as the picked on kids.

I hope to teach my daughter the most fool proof way to deal with a bully. Make their game no fun anymore. Tell them if they F with you again, they're going to suffer. Then, the next time they do it, you smash something soft of theirs, preferably something with lots of nerve endings, smash it with something hard and inanimate. Promise to do so everytime it happens. You probably only have to do it once.

I knew a kid, came from a strange family, didn't fit in, wore terrible clothes, has weird parents. Prime target to be harassed. He told me one day he wasn't going to take it anymore. He started carrying a metal notebook binder.

In one glorious, bloody day, in several separate incidents throughout the day, without warning, he attacked everyone who had been tormenting him, using that metal notebook. Amazingly, none of the several incidents reached administrative attention.

After that, he was given a wide berth, and comments about him were made outside his hearing.

Bullies are cowards, it's as true today as it was when your Dad first told you that.

 

[ATOMonkey]

All that ever earned me was revenge beatings.

My bullies must have been much more committed than others.

I could hold my own fairly well, one on one, or even two on one, but I just couldn't take more than 2 at a time. I bloodied noses, gave black eyes, cut one kids open across his gut with a push pin, he needed lots of stitches, even put one kid out of school for a couple of days. Didn't help. They just came back pissed and often times with more of their buddies.

They'd hold me down and beat me until they got bored or the lookout spotted a teacher. I couldn't be vigilant all the time in order to avoid them. I would get so enraged, and feel so helpless all at once that I'd just break down and cry. They'd ridicule the things I loved doing, so that I couldn't even be proud of what I was good at. I had a 3.7 GPA, lettered in cross country, wrestling, and track, and was first chair saxaphone in concert, jazz, and marching band, and felt ashamed of it. I knew I wasn't supposed to feel that way, but I did.

It started on the bus and didn't end until I got home. When I turned 17 and could drive to school things got a lot better. I re-discovered my religion at this time too, which helped immensely. Started working and working out a lot more to occupy my time. Idle hands and all that...

I've never been back, have no reason to go back, and if I see anyone from HS in public, I refuse to acknowledge them.

 

[ATOMonkey]

I realize the violence begets violence and that beating me up was a way for them to deal with their own crappy situation in life, but that doesn't excuse what they did in any way what so ever.

Misery does love company.

 

[SavageEagle]

Wow. Someone actually thinks you can stop bullies. Someone doesn't remember school too well. Ranger had it right. You can't stop bullies. They will ALWAYS be there. The only thing you can do is fight back, and remember, there's no such thing as a fair fight. Just as long as you're not trying to kill the other person, beat the outta them the best way you can. Chances are the kids are carrying a book, or book bag. USE IT.

Kids have to learn to fight back, and the only way that's going to happen is if their jackwagon pansy parents wake up and stop teaching them that running away and telling the teacher is going to stop it. It won't. It'll make it worse. Other kids don't respect snitches or *****es. They respect those that stand up for themselves and others.

If you can't teach your kids to fight back, find someone that will because Heaven forbid your son or daughter end up another suicide/bully statistic. This also includes being actively knowledgeable about their social life, however boring or geeky it may be.

 

[ATOMonkey]

You can't stop bullying, but you can throw the kid who does it out of school.

I don't see anything wrong with that. Don't be a jerk and you can continue to go to school. If you think it's cool or fun to make fun of someone for being different, then you can go home. No muss, no fuss. If you can't go home, you can spend your days in ISS.

 

[Eddie]

You can't stop bullying, but you can throw the kid who does it out of school.

I don't see anything wrong with that. Don't be a jerk and you can continue to go to school. If you think it's cool or fun to make fun of someone for being different, then you can go home. No muss, no fuss. If you can't go home, you can spend your days in ISS.

Unless the kid is classified as special ed. If they get classified as special ed its hard as heck to throw them out and even if they do the school has to pay to send a teacher to their home. No Child Left Behind!

 

[pinshooter45]

From One who was bullied.

I really don't like the new laws for bullying. My experience was that teachers just don't want to deal with Bully's. In my day teachers weren't as shackled as they are now, but they just ignored bully's. If teachers would just adress bullies when it starts there would be less of it. I found in most of my instances when I finally got fed up with no help from teachers, fists were the only solution! I had one bully stick a typing eraser in my ear and I turned around and wailed on him until we were seperated. I stood my ground when it came time to face the Dean, he headed for the front door as fast as most cowards do. I was told to return to class, he got 5 days. I graduated HS in 1977.

 

[WillBrayJr]

I was nicknamed Leatherface when I was 7 years old.

 

[buckstopshere]

"whatever happened to a good ol fashion, passionate a$$ whuppin and gettin your shoes, coat, and hat tooken?" - eminem

boys are being emasculated, kids are being taught that they are all special at everything they try and that results don't matter as long as you give it your best. Programming future socialist if parents don't intervene.

I just talked to my 8 year old daughter about bullying and that if she is getting bullied abused verbally or emotionally, walk away and tell a teacher or nearest adult. BUT, if someone gets physical, knock that person out. Fight like hell and don't stop til you can get away.

The school has a zero tolerance policy and she would get in trouble for defending herself but my zero tolerance policy for anyone f'in with my daughter trumps the schools.