Showing Their True Colors

[GMediC]

Theyre about as Republican as Trump.

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[Tombs]

I'll bite - what does the American public need from their politicians? Is there a government / politicians that you wouldn't want to give a single finger salute to?



And how does one get what one needs when we just elect a middle finger instead of electing what we actually need?
(does that make sense?)

I think a lot of people wished the GOP would have said, "Donald, Thank You. You've cleaned the muck left from Obama, you've poked the dems eyes out with a stick - job well done. You're great, but now we've chosen a new direction. It's time for us to get serious about governing. I'm sure you'll do great at your next job."


Would have been a perfect time since the best the dems can do it Corn Pop Joe.


I guess politics isn't that simple.

I want a republican candidate who doesn't capitulate to leftist demands and character assassination. Zero compromise unless the policy is 100% reasonable.
And I want them to be vocal and proud of their standpoint. Further more I'd like to see them actually apply the law to the political class.

I'm sure I'm quite far from a minority in this desire.

As far as Trump not being serious about governing... What gives you that impression? His mouth? I don't really care about what the president says, unless it's bending over backwards for idiots and going on global apology tours.

After living through Reagan, GHWB, Clinton, GWB, Obama, and now Trump, I confidently say Trump is by far the best president in my lifetime. But I'm not that old.

 

[04FXSTS]

I am 73 years old so have seen a couple more presidents but agree Trump is the best in my lifetime. I actually was not sure of him at first but he kind of grows on you. Of course in the general election against hillary there was no contest. So glad Trump knocked out Bush early, that would have been quite a moral dilemma if it could have been hillary against bush. I was already sick of hearing the names clinton, bush or kennedy. Their time is gone so shut up and go away all of you. Jim.

 

[NKBJ]

Yeah, thumbs up on President Trump.

Something that I'm really enjoying, the way he is not falling for the traps that the mayors and state politicians have tried to run on him. While doing their jacobin-illuminist best to feed the chaos, they've been trying to create the situations to catch him out. Look at the Atlanta city government making the police throw up their hands, to create a situation where the president could have to grab ahold of the tar baby. And all he has done (so far) is turn it back on them. Bravo Mister President for making them show the voters who and what they really are.

 

[2A_Tom]

I'll bite - what does the American public need from their politicians? Is there a government / politicians that you wouldn't want to give a single finger salute to?



And how does one get what one needs when we just elect a middle finger instead of electing what we actually need?
(does that make sense?)

I think a lot of people wished the GOP would have said, "Donald, Thank You. You've cleaned the muck left from Obama, you've poked the dems eyes out with a stick - job well done. You're great, but now we've chosen a new direction. It's time for us to get serious about governing. I'm sure you'll do great at your next job."


Would have been a perfect time since the best the dems can do it Corn Pop Joe.


I guess politics isn't that simple.

To steal a turn of phrase, I'll bite.

How would you propose this would be done? Who would you put up? Would you accept whatever compromising (R) that the DEEP STATERS gave you?

I'll take the man that has stood up to the relentless onslaught from the MSM, liberals, progressives Socialists, Democrats, so called Republicans, deep staters &c.

I double dog dare you to give a name of anyone including yourself that would not have buckled already.

People cite his push back as if it is something bad. I think it is bigger brass ones than anyone else on the playground.

 

[JettaKnight]

To steal a turn of phrase, I'll bite.

How would you propose this would be done? Who would you put up? Would you accept whatever compromising (R) that the DEEP STATERS gave you?

I'll take the man that has stood up to the relentless onslaught from the MSM, liberals, progressives Socialists, Democrats, [STRIKE]so called[/STRIKE] actual Republicans, deep staters &c.

I double dog dare you to give a name of anyone including yourself that would not have buckled already.

People cite his push back as if it is something bad. I think it is bigger brass ones than anyone else on the playground.

I'm not into the whole "deep state" conspiracy, so...

I'm not really sure who I'd prefer, someone more "presidential", and fiscally conservative and not a lightning rod. Perhaps Nikki Haley... I still kind of like Kaisich (Hi, Bug!), and in my dreams Mitch Daniels is POTUS. I will say that none of those actually running, e.g. Bill Weld, are worthy of consideration.


Trump's had near four years, and he's got some stuff done: knocked out Obama care mandates, lowered taxes. But, there's a lot he hasn't attempted to fix: immigration reform, reduce federal spending. And some things he really mucked up: tariffs, gun control. All this while continuing to polarize the American public.


As to the relentless onslaught - Trump brings it on himself. I honestly think he welcomes it as it strengthens his base and galvanizes his position that the American public should ignore any criticism of him. That's a huge factor in how he won, by branding anything negative of him as "fake news". Anyone else wouldn't have had near the scrutiny and hatred that he's had.

 

[Leadeye]

The whole concept of deep state is easy to understand, it revolves around money and it's circular relationship with power. People involved want the cash to continue to flow as it pays them and keeps them in power. Instability, uncertainty and interruptions of this cycle are all seen as a threats.

I don't see the people involved as evil, they are protecting their way of life. They don't see themselves as "Americans" anymore, but as part of a larger, global organization. Where they are mistaken in this country is that the people they are dealing with in the rest of the happy global organization still see themselves as Asian, European, or what ever, and act accordingly.

 

[JettaKnight]

The whole concept of deep state is easy to understand, it revolves around money and it's circular relationship with power. People involved want the cash to continue to flow as it pays them and keeps them in power. Instability, uncertainty and interruptions of this cycle are all seen as a threats.

I don't see the people involved as evil, they are protecting their way of life. They don't see themselves as "Americans" anymore, but as part of a larger, global organization. Where they are mistaken in this country is that the people they are dealing with in the rest of the happy global organization still see themselves as Asian, European, or what ever, and act accordingly.

Money and power? I just call that politics. And that exist at every level down to the township, and has existed since people rose up and demanded a king (God said we'd regret that decision, and he was right).


It's the whole globalist / illuminist secret cabal that I do not subscribe to. Every reference to the deep state that I've heard at least implies such a thing. Then there's the rare instances where the deep staters aren't human, but reptiles...

 

[Leadeye]

We all do things to earn a living. We all like the idea of a stable income and some degree of certainty that it will continue. Nobody likes to be surprised at work, let alone ambushed. I don't see these "deep state" people as reptiles just lacking in understanding that they should be focused more on American rather than global issues. I've dealt with foreign business people for years, and I expect them to act in their national interest. I think they see President Trump as a short problem that they want to go away rather than a figurehead of unhappy Americans who feel like the whole "global economy" has left them behind.

 

[NKBJ]

After decades of observation I see them as having all the morality and individual worth of a snapping turtle.

 

[2A_Tom]

Snapper is a good meal, they are not worth it's

 

[Tombs]

Money and power? I just call that politics. And that exist at every level down to the township, and has existed since people rose up and demanded a king (God said we'd regret that decision, and he was right).


It's the whole globalist / illuminist secret cabal that I do not subscribe to. Every reference to the deep state that I've heard at least implies such a thing. Then there's the rare instances where the deep staters aren't human, but reptiles...

Popular conspiracies have made you blind to things that are actually going on and are demonstrable.

Reading the logs of various of the usual suspects in government using an old starwars game chat to plot their next moves against Trump made it abundantly clear to me that the deep state is a very real thing.

 

[BugI02]

I'm not into the whole "deep state" conspiracy, so...

I'm not really sure who I'd prefer, someone more "presidential", and fiscally conservative and not a lightning rod. Perhaps Nikki Haley... I still kind of like Kaisich (Hi, Bug!), and in my dreams Mitch Daniels is POTUS. I will say that none of those actually running, e.g. Bill Weld, are worthy of consideration.

[We can have him packaged and ready for shipment as soon as you place your order. Would never support him for national office, though. His morals make Trump look like a choir boy by comparison]


Trump's had near four years, and he's got some stuff done: knocked out Obama care mandates, lowered taxes. But, there's a lot he hasn't attempted to fix: immigration reform, reduce federal spending. And some things he really mucked up: tariffs, gun control. All this while continuing to polarize the American public.


As to the relentless onslaught - Trump brings it on himself. I honestly think he welcomes it as it strengthens his base and galvanizes his position that the American public should ignore any criticism of him. That's a huge factor in how he won, by branding anything negative of him as "fake news". Anyone else wouldn't have had near the scrutiny and hatred that he's had.[You mean like 'scandal-free' Obama? Because you certainly can't mean 'Anyone else' as in any Republican or Conservative]

I must disagree. I ignore criticism of Trump because the overwhelming majority of it to date has been ginned up out of nothing so my expectation is anything new (looking at you Bolton) will suffer from similar flaws

 

[mmpsteve]

The whole concept of deep state is easy to understand, it revolves around money and it's circular relationship with power. People involved want the cash to continue to flow as it pays them and keeps them in power. Instability, uncertainty and interruptions of this cycle are all seen as a threats.

I don't see the people involved as evil, they are protecting their way of life. They don't see themselves as "Americans" anymore, but as part of a larger, global organization. Where they are mistaken in this country is that the people they are dealing with in the rest of the happy global organization still see themselves as Asian, European, or what ever, and act accordingly.

I guess it depends what the definition of evil is. Hillary, Comey, Brennan, Stroke, Page, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, et al. These are evil people in my view. Willing to bend and break any law or anything else to get what they want. Trying to overthrow an American President by any means necessary - pure evil in my book. You can add in the MSM complex to this evil group. They routinely twist and deceive the American public to push their socialist agenda - pure evil, because it's done intentionally, with malice aforethought.

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[JettaKnight]

I must disagree. I ignore criticism of Trump because the overwhelming majority of it to date has been ginned up out of nothing so my expectation is anything new (looking at you Bolton) will suffer from similar flaws

Sound like, "I like him, so I'll turn a blind eye to any criticism of him." Especially when you say, "out of nothing". The criticism is warranted, but not to the level the MSM plays it up.

 

[BugI02]

Sound like, "I like him, so I'll turn a blind eye to any criticism of him." Especially when you say, "out of nothing". The criticism is warranted, but not to the level the MSM plays it up.

Take just the latest teapot tempest I mentioned, John Bolton. What criticism of Trump that he proffers is worthy of my concern?

 

[JettaKnight]

Take just the latest teapot tempest I mentioned, John Bolton. What criticism of Trump that he proffers is worthy of my concern?

Haven't read the book, so I can't comment.