So long Sunday alcohol sales!

[level.eleven]

you think thos 3 are less powerful? the lobby groups that sell EVERYTHING, gas, food, clothes, and ALCOHOL, are somehow less powerful than 1 lobby group whos members only sell alcohol?

Take a look at the scoreboard.

Here as well. https://secure.in.gov/apps/ilrc/registration/browse/browse/findLobbyists

Grocery stores - $6k
Package stores - $60k

 

[Destro]

So then the extra day of being open and additional costs are strawmen. Got it.

The extra costs are only associated with the current regulations. Those regulations go away and so do those costs. Make the other side play by the same rules and incur the same government regulation burden (and the costs associated with it), or remove them completely and the argument no longer exists

 

[Destro]

Take a look at the scoreboard.

Here as well. https://secure.in.gov/apps/ilrc/registration/browse/browse/findLobbyists

Grocery stores - $6k
Package stores - $60k

those 3 form the Alliance of Responsible Alcohol Retailers, who happen not to show how much they spent

 

[chizzle]

FAQ's on other state laws from ChangeItIndiana.org:

Questions and Answers About Indiana

"A statewide poll showed that 58 percent of Hoosier consumers believe that retailers should have the right to sell alcohol on Sundays and 70 percent believe cold beer should be sold by any licensed retailer."

 

[level.eleven]

FAQ's on other state laws from ChangeItIndiana.org:

Questions and Answers About Indiana

"A statewide poll showed that 58 percent of Hoosier consumers believe that retailers should have the right to sell alcohol on Sundays and 70 percent believe cold beer should be sold by any licensed retailer."

Since 2005, when it comes to retailers selling to minors, liquor stores account for 71 percent of the violations, compared to 29 percent for drug, grocery and convenience stores.
A two-year study by the Indiana Excise Police that looked at the ability of minors to obtain alcohol from various establishments showed that restaurants, which currently have an exclusive right to sell alcohol on Sunday, have the highest non-compliance rate at 44 percent.
The same study also showed that minors were able to purchase alcohol at liquor stores four out of 10 times, a 73 percent increase in non-compliance over the combined rates of drug, grocery and convenience stores.

Another straw man bites the dust.

According to the excise police, we need to increase regulations on package stores.

 

[Bunnykid68]

FAQ's on other state laws from ChangeItIndiana.org:

Questions and Answers About Indiana

"A statewide poll showed that 58 percent of Hoosier consumers believe that retailers should have the right to sell alcohol on Sundays and 70 percent believe cold beer should be sold by any licensed retailer."

I bet they leave out the part that the other retailers do not want to have to follow the same stringent laws that the liquor stores are required to follow.

Liquor stores are the only business in the State of Indiana required to card every single person that tries to purchase alcohol under threat of heavy fines. No grocery stores, convenience stores or any other stores are required to card every single person. Just saw the sign in a local convenience store 10 minutes ago that said if you do not look 30 we need to see ID.

Funniest thing though, I just bought beer on a Sunday from a gas station.

 

[Destro]

Since 2005, when it comes to retailers selling to minors, liquor stores account for 71 percent of the violations, compared to 29 percent for drug, grocery and convenience stores.
A two-year study by the Indiana Excise Police that looked at the ability of minors to obtain alcohol from various establishments showed that restaurants, which currently have an exclusive right to sell alcohol on Sunday, have the highest non-compliance rate at 44 percent.
The same study also showed that minors were able to purchase alcohol at liquor stores four out of 10 times, a 73 percent increase in non-compliance over the combined rates of drug, grocery and convenience stores.

Another straw man bites the dust.

According to the excise police, we need to increase regulations on package stores.

Intresting they don't include a source

 

[Bunnykid68]

Since 2005, when it comes to retailers selling to minors, liquor stores account for 71 percent of the violations, compared to 29 percent for drug, grocery and convenience stores.
A two-year study by the Indiana Excise Police that looked at the ability of minors to obtain alcohol from various establishments showed that restaurants, which currently have an exclusive right to sell alcohol on Sunday, have the highest non-compliance rate at 44 percent.
The same study also showed that minors were able to purchase alcohol at liquor stores four out of 10 times, a 73 percent increase in non-compliance over the combined rates of drug, grocery and convenience stores.

Another straw man bites the dust.

According to the excise police, we need to increase regulations on package stores.

Guess who they were targeting? Do they have stats on who they were targeting more often? Liquor stores. The card every single person rule has benefited the liquor stores, everyone gets carded regardless. Excise was even in the hotel earlier that I am staying at trying to sting them. Hmmmmmm, wonder why, because they closed the gap on liquor stores.

 

[level.eleven]

Intresting they don't include a source

Liquor Stores Sell Most to Minors: Study Grocery, Drug Stores More Likely to Card - Evansville Courier Press - August 03, 2009 - Id. 62379807 - vLex

You have to pay to view the full report.

Here is channel 6 reporting the findings. Looks pretty bad for the "mom and pop" stores.

RTV6 - Resurrecting Sunday Sales Aim Of New ID Push - News Story

 

[Longhair]

I bet they leave out the part that the other retailers do not want to have to follow the same stringent laws that the liquor stores are required to follow.

Liquor stores are the only business in the State of Indiana required to card every single person that tries to purchase alcohol under threat of heavy fines. No grocery stores, convenience stores or any other stores are required to card every single person. Just saw the sign in a local convenience store 10 minutes ago that said if you do not look 30 we need to see ID.

Funniest thing though, I just bought beer on a Sunday from a gas station.

Wrong! I've seen you post this two or three times in this thread, This very stupid law was changed awhile back.

 

[Destro]

Liquor Stores Sell Most to Minors: Study Grocery, Drug Stores More Likely to Card - Evansville Courier Press - August 03, 2009 - Id. 62379807 - vLex

You have to pay to view the full report.

Here is channel 6 reporting the findings. Looks pretty bad for the "mom and pop" stores.

RTV6 - Resurrecting Sunday Sales Aim Of New ID Push - News Story

so you want more regulation?

 

[JettaKnight]

last I knew it was 12, but I guess a lot can change in 72 hours...thanks for the misinformation

You're welcome.

I think the answer is in between 12 and 49.*

Probably full of misinformation, but I'm not smart enough to sort through the patchwork of laws.
Alcohol laws of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


* So, I have no idea what Level 11 is on about with "49 of 50".

 

[Reno316]

Because for a lot of the "Mom & Pop" liqour stores that is their only day off. Not saying I agree with the prohibition, just giving the reasoning why the Liquor store lobby is not pulling for sunday sales.

Nobody is forcing them to open on Sunday. That's what I've never understood about that argument.

 

[ricochet22]

I understand about the price difference both in what they pay and what they charge. I always considered it my choice to pay more for the added convenience of obtaining my barley sodas ready to tip. So would that be a benefit that the grocery store would have if they all played by the same rules?