South Central Gun Club October USPSA Match

[VERT]

Guys I don't normally interject my opinions, especially when it comes to the matter of rules. I would like to think that SCGC has developed the reputation of hosting competitive, fun, family friendly matches and an environment that welcomes new shooters. That requires everyone to do their part. After seeing this thread please let Max, Gordon and I discuss the issue later this month and we will address any problems going forward. Thank you for your feedback.

 

[Dog1]

Guys I don't normally interject my opinions, especially when it comes to the matter of rules. I would like to think that SCGC has developed the reputation of hosting competitive, fun, family friendly matches and an environment that welcomes new shooters. That requires everyone to do their part. After seeing this thread please let Max, Gordon and I discuss the issue later this month and we will address any problems going forward. Thank you for your feedback.

Sorry, my intention was not to derail this thread or dictate. I just wanted to make sure that shooters understand that these great matches we have here in Indiana only happen by the great volunteers we have and that it takes everyone to step up and help on match day.

I feel that we are truly lucky to have great clubs and matches here, especially after I talk to others in states that do not have the club network that we have.

Just to be crystal clear-I don't want to DQ anyone. At all. Ask anyone that shoots with me, I would rather use it as a teaching moment than a dq. But just because you don't want to help reset a stage should mean you can get away with sitting while others work. It's not a huge percentage that does it, in fact it's very, very small, but when you are on a squad with 10 shooters and one or more does not help, it gets noticed.

 

[rhino]

Ok...I sent Troy McManus at the USPSA National Range Officers Institute or NROI an email about it-



Troy wrote back-



So the unsportsman like rule can be used to DQ a shooter that refuses to paste or reset a stage, after being told to. He or she, get's one chance then he or she can be DQ'ed.

I'm surprised he said that, but maybe I should not be.

On the other hand, you've just virtually guaranteed I'm not coming to any more matches at South Central, including Bob's memorial match.

 

[Bosshoss]

I'm surprised he said that, but maybe I should not be.

On the other hand, you've just virtually guaranteed I'm not coming to any more matches at South Central, including Bob's memorial match.

Wait a minute a new shooter refuses to help reset the stage and gets gets called out on it by other shooters that do help reset the stage.
Someone asks the NROI and gets a respond(that you don't like apparently) and this is South Central's fault?
Just curious what would you have done?

 

[Bosshoss]

I always mention at the new shooters meeting that this is a volunteer sport and everyone is expected to at least paste targets and tear down after the match.
We had 6 new shooters at this match and only 2 attended the new shooter meeting?
We also had 1 person attend the meeting who was there to watch his first match and figure out what he needed and what the basic rules were.

 

[rhino]

Wait a minute a new shooter refuses to help reset the stage and gets gets called out on it by other shooters that do help reset the stage.
Someone asks the NROI and gets a respond(that you don't like apparently) and this is South Central's fault?
Just curious what would you have done?

I didn't say it was South Central's fault, but there is at least one RO who intends to DQ people for not pasting. No one is going to miss me.

I've been playing this game a long time, probably close to as long as you have. Getting people to help has always been an issue, but my opinion is that asking and encouraging is as far as it should go. When people express the intent of actually disqualifying people for not helping as much as they think they should, it's too far. In my opinion, that is at least as much of a dick move as it is for an able-bodied person choosing not to help paste.

From a practical application, who will decided how much is "enough"? That's not a decision that should be in the hands of an RO.

Not interested in debating this with you or anyone else. I'm only responding to you because I respect you and you asked an honest question. Now you know where I stand for what it's worth. Again, no one is going to miss me.

 

[sporter]

I'm surprised he said that, but maybe I should not be.

On the other hand, you've just virtually guaranteed I'm not coming to any more matches at South Central, including Bob's memorial match.

You weren't going to come anyways.

 

[sporter]

Wait a minute a new shooter refuses to help reset the stage and gets gets called out on it by other shooters that do help reset the stage.
Someone asks the NROI and gets a respond(that you don't like apparently) and this is South Central's fault?
Just curious what would you have done?

Exactly. And Paul you do a great job with the new shooters meeting.

 

[sv40sw45]

Exactly. And Paul you do a great job with the new shooters meeting.

NO ONE and I say again NO ONE willed be D Q ed at South Central for not pasting targets. End of this TREAD I hope.

Joe you and Bob where GREAT friends and I don't want this tread to change that. You are always welcome at SCGC.

Max

 

[rhino]

NO ONE and I say again NO ONE willed be D Q ed at South Central for not pasting targets. End of this TREAD I hope.

Max! Thank you for that. It is much appreciated.

Joe you and Bob where GREAT friends and I don't want this tread to change that. You are always welcome at SCGC.

Max

You are absolutely correct and I apologize to all for losing sight of that truth. I'll be there on the 30th!

 

[downrange72]

This was posted in the other SC thread even though i wasn't reading it at the time of writing this

What I learned this weekend at another match, in another state: we do better at most club matches than some place do at level two matches

1. Me "is this plate a 180 from here, is it a forbidden action
RO: : The intent of the stage is to not shoot it there
Me: is it a 180
RO: No
Me: is it a forbidden action
RO: No
Me: only issue I see is it isn't 26 feet but it isn't written as a forbidden action
RO: hey (CRO)
RO: can he shoot this from here.
CRO: No
Me: why not
CRO: not the intent of the stage and it will slow you down. The first squad had a lot of great local shooters and they didnt
Me: so what if shoot it here
CRO: I'll DQ you
Me: what rule?
CRO: it's not a good idea and no one will.
Me: yes, they will. Get the range master to call it a forbidden action for safety violation otherwise it will be an issue
CRO...no one will do it
ME..yes they will

I had to tell the RM who did agree with me that since it wasn't written that it could be shot as is since there wasn't a charge line. He made it a forbidden action for safety reasons

It would have save high capacity people a few seconds to take from that spot. Round count it wasn't wise for low.capacity

That's only the 1st issue

 

[GBuck]

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[racegunz]

No one is going to miss me.

I've been playing this game a long time, probably close to as long as you have. Getting people to help has always been an issue, but my opinion is that asking and encouraging is as far as it should go. When people express the intent of actually disqualifying people for not helping as much as they think they should, it's too far. In my opinion, that is at least as much of a dick move as it is for an able-bodied person choosing not to help paste.

From a practical application, who will decided how much is "enough"? That's not a decision that should be in the hands of an RO.

Not interested in debating this with you or anyone else. I'm only responding to you because I respect you and you asked an honest question. Now you know where I stand for what it's worth. Again, no one is going to miss me.

I already miss ya Joe, seeing you always reminds me of my "tactical" beginnings and the fact that we've been doing this in some form or another for 20 + years !!!!!

 

[sv40sw45]

Looks like that 100% score on Pucker Factor is going to put a G in front of my M in Limited Division. That will make the 70 year old Super Senior a GM in Open and Limited. Must be the new DVC Limited gun.

 

[JMitch]

Last time I ran into the problem was at the 2015 Indiana 400. The guy said something like "I have been building stages in the hot sun for the last 6 days so you can kiss my ass".



Max - if a 20 oz yeti with 3 pasters on it shows up in the lost and found please holler.

I have the Yeti. 812 345-3645

 

[rhino]

I already miss ya Joe, seeing you always reminds me of my "tactical" beginnings and the fact that we've been doing this in some form or another for 20 + years !!!!!

Indeed! And of course I will never disappoint you by failing to mention it EVERY TIME I SEE YOU. HAH!

Looks like that 100% score on Pucker Factor is going to put a G in front of my M in Limited Division. That will make the 70 year old Super Senior a GM in Open and Limited. Must be the new DVC Limited gun.

Yeah! Must be the gun. I need one like it . . . might get me to B class! HAH!

 

[Bosshoss]

Looks like that 100% score on Pucker Factor is going to put a G in front of my M in Limited Division. That will make the 70 year old Super Senior a GM in Open and Limited. Must be the new DVC Limited gun.

Congrats Max.

 

[amp7876]

Looks like that 100% score on Pucker Factor is going to put a G in front of my M in Limited Division. That will make the 70 year old Super Senior a GM in Open and Limited. Must be the new DVC Limited gun.

Congrats Max!


Maybe one day I will at least get an A. I suck at classifiers, and field courses too. LOL

 

[Dog1]

Looks like that 100% score on Pucker Factor is going to put a G in front of my M in Limited Division. That will make the 70 year old Super Senior a GM in Open and Limited. Must be the new DVC Limited gun.

 

[racegunz]

Looks like that 100% score on Pucker Factor is going to put a G in front of my M in Limited Division. That will make the 70 year old Super Senior a GM in Open and Limited. Must be the new DVC Limited gun.

Never say never right? Congrats!!!!