Strategic error, NRA cracks

[CarmelHP]

NRA chief says group accepts background checks - Yahoo! News

On the brink of total victory, the NRA grabs a strategic defeat. This moron goes on and says that they "generally accept stronger background checks." This will now be used as a ramrod to force broad invasive background checks. How could they be so stupid?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Carmel, I wouldn't read what you are reading into it--I have no doubt some hay may be made of that phrase, HOWEVER stronger background checks =/= private sales.

NRA has long supported instacheck and ensuring that the data is correct.

 

[CarmelHP]

Carmel, I wouldn't read what you are reading into it--I have no doubt some hay may be made of that phrase, HOWEVER stronger background checks =/= private sales.

NRA has long supported instacheck and ensuring that the data is correct.

That's not the way it will be used. It will be used as a "but you said you supported stronger checks" as a way to give political cover to politicians. I hope I'm wrong but I've this before.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I think you have valid concerns. I think watching the video would be helpful.

I hope Keene clarifies this statement.

 

[HICKMAN]

Keep in mind, Scalia said that type of weapon, size of mag, and other restrictions were still on the table....

They probably want to end this debate as soon as possible.

 

[CarmelHP]

Plus this from NYT:

"Even the White House considers passage of a new assault weapons ban exceedingly difficult, but there did seem to be some consensus building for expanding background checks.

Senator Charles E. Schumer, a New York Democrat and a longtime gun control supporter, made no mention of the assault weapons ban in a statement but pointed to the background checks. “If you look at the combination of likelihood of passage and effectiveness of curbing gun crime,” he said, “universal background checks is at the sweet spot.”

Background checks is where the anvil will be, that statement by the NRA President, or distortion thereof, will be the hammer.

 

[Giddaltti]

I'm ok with the BGC, as we already do this when we sign up for our hand gun lic. But what happens with the info afterwards is my concern.

 

[melensdad]

I believe that there should be the ability to "transfer" a gun from 'parent to child' or 'grandparent to grandchild' or 'aunt/uncle to niece/nephew' or 'spouse to spouse' without any sort of FFL dealer involved.

In closing the so-called gunshow loophole then these gifts from family member to family member will require the involvement of an FFL dealer to do the transfer.

As for background checks, I have no problem with an instant/near instant criminal background check and very little problem with a properly defined/limited mental background check.

 

[45calibre]

and the comprising begins.

 

[melensdad]

and the comprising begins.

Did you see the video? I don't think he agreed to any compromise.

 

[Prometheus]

Op: you aren't the only thinking that:
NRA gives thumbs up to universal background checks | Guns and Liberty

The feds have ZERO constitutional authority to control private sales between private parties.

This is just the next step towards registration and confiscation. With background checks on private persons, a stroke of the pen can collect all the 4473s and it's done.

I'm so glad I'm not a life member of the nra. I'll be calling them about this.

 

[jworm1420]

I'm ok with the BGC, as we already do this when we sign up for our hand gun lic. But what happens with the info afterwards is my concern.

This is my issue, i dont mind the BGC because we do these when we buy new from a dealer. However, im also worried about the info. CAnt they tie you to that firearm by the serial or is the check strictly on background. I know the dealer can tie the serial number to that specific firearm to you buy the purchase reciepts. But im still a little iffy on how that could end up being used for registration/confiscation.

 

[HenryWallace]

They'll take a mile, once we give them a foot, but right now they only ask for an inch!

THat's how it all starts!

 

[4sarge]

They'll take a mile, once we give them a foot, but right now they only ask for an inch!

THat's how it all starts!

^ This

 

[hooky]

Universal background check laws would seem to be the precursor to registration. Registration is the first step towards confiscation.

 

[45calibre]

Did you see the video? I don't think he agreed to any compromise.

what video? there is no video in the link.

He said the NRA has been "generally supportive" of stronger background checks.

any change at all from the laws right now is a compromise unless it is in our favor.

 

[johnny45]

NRA chief says group accepts background checks - Yahoo! News

On the brink of total victory, the NRA grabs a strategic defeat. This moron goes on and says that they "generally accept stronger background checks." This will now be used as a ramrod to force broad invasive background checks. How could they be so stupid?

You are exactly correct.

Here is an idea..... stick to the Second Amendment.

 

[Slawburger]

Universal background check laws would seem to be the precursor to registration. Registration is the first step towards confiscation.

^^^^ This ^^^^

Ask Facebook about promises never to use information for other purposes later.

 

[johnny45]

Can form 4473 and related regulations be used as a defacto gun registry?

Can form 4473 and related regulations be used as a data point to "round up" gun owners?

 

[sepe]

Universal background check laws would seem to be the precursor to registration. Registration is the first step towards confiscation.

But hey, maybe there is a train ride in the future. I heard those FEMA camps are pretty nice.