Tactical Response at it again. Dangerous and Unprofessional ?

[Rookie]

Maybe times have changed since my time in the military, but we were never taught to discard live rounds.

 

[chezuki]

Maybe times have changed since my time in the military, but we were never taught to discard live rounds.

If that's what stands out to you as the problem, you may want to look a little deeper.

 

[Rookie]

I was responding to tactically fat. If you think that's my only problem, you may want to read the whole thread.

 

[jsharmon7]

I was responding to tactically fat. If you think that's my only problem, you may want to read the whole thread.

I've read your posts for the past several years. You have many problems.

 

[Rookie]

I've read your posts for the past several years. You have many problems.

 

[Fordtough25]

So an instructor breaks the four rules and bad things happen. Unreal, I wonder which instructor it was! And what's with the ak operators Union dude sending rounds into the ground next to the people's heads!?! Yikes! I was just watching Yeager interview Clint and heide smith the other day, if they think he's ok then why shouldn't I!? Research is our friend and this stuff is what makes liberals smile.

 

[Fordtough25]

And James refused to refund one of the students class money. Odd I thought they had a 100% happiness or your money back deal.

 

[Vigilant]

And James refused to refund one of the students class money. Odd I thought they had a 100% happiness or your money back deal.

With the caveat that you have to stand up and prove why in front of the class. Don't know if the guy did that or not, and also, since no one has done it before, is it subjective? Does James listen to your story and then say no, you didn't convince me, no refund for you?

I've been to more than one class that we ditched our weapon, that being said, it was CLEARED, and no stomping! I think it has a small training advantage, in that I've also been to classes that some didn't want to shoot Urban Prone, for fear of scratching their rifle or pistol in the gravel. Also been to classes where, since it was a little muddy, people didn't want to go prone, so they didn't dirty their car/truck on the way home!?!

 

[HoughMade]

So an instructor breaks the four rules and bad things happen. Unreal, I wonder which instructor it was! And what's with the ak operators Union dude sending rounds into the ground next to the people's heads!?! Yikes! I was just watching Yeager interview Clint and heide smith the other day, if they think he's ok then why shouldn't I!? Research is our friend and this stuff is what makes liberals smile.

Gunny Highway approved:

[video=youtube;oIv_RrgCfWs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIv_RrgCfWs[/video]

 

[Kirk Freeman]

There Is Too Much Social Media On This Firing Line: The Dangerous Future Of Tactical Entertainment - Soldier Systems Daily

Pretty good look at the phenomena.

He uses heuristic. I think I'm in love.

Ok Kirk, I seriously didn't think someone would say "no danger" while discussing this. You win.

Of course he was going to say "no danger". When you are on record condoning reckless behavior, you have to be all in.

Stomping on guns is full onset stupidity. The problem is that Tommy Tacticals have painted themselves in a corner with saying that the Four Rules are old and busted this allows them to market stupidity as cutting edge training.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I didn't want to let you down, Kirk. I know it's weird for you to watch people with guns out of their holsters but sometimes it happens.

I understand. If anyone is going to defend stomping on guns for no sane reason, I knew I could count on the Inshallah INGOers.

Guns out of holsters is fine, as long as it is the right time. I want to be dangerous, but only at the right time.

Stomping on guns in the dust of California is NOT the right time.

 

[T.Lex]

Stomping on guns in the dust of California is NOT the right time.

Pollen and cow dung of Indiana?

 

[HoughMade]

Not once in infantry training did we ever though our M16s (a mix of A1s and A2s) on the ground and stomp on them. I feel cheated. Strangely, we learned about weapon cleaning and maintenance, marksmanship and small unit tactics, but no stomping.

Honestly, once running a bayonet course I fell off the top of a wall with my M7 bayonet pointing at me (yes, I know, 4 rules) and flung the whole thing as far as I could lest I become ventilated, but oddly, rather than garner me praise for demonstrating that my rifle...and bayonet, were only tools, it earned me pushups and flutter kicks...and a couple of more trips through the course.

Little did I know that the most tactical thing I ever did was that inelegant fall from the wall.

 

[T.Lex]

Little did I know that the most tactical thing I ever did was that inelegant fall from the wall.

Well, in your defense, you were not yet bearded, I presume.

 

[HoughMade]

Well, in your defense, you were not yet bearded, I presume.

Correct. No beards allowed....and yet the Soviet Union still imploded.

 

[printcraft]

When they bring this into the course I'm signing up.

 

[T.Lex]

Correct. No beards allowed....and yet the Soviet Union still imploded.

That was before DADT, so a bunch of those unbearded recruits had beards at home.

 

[HoughMade]

When they bring this into the course I'm signing up.

He's closer than 3 feet so it's not dangerous at all.

 

[17 squirrel]

I think there's a lot of wisdom in this. Because in all likelihood any real shooting we're going to get involved in one day WILL have friendlies all around. Think of where you go-banks, Walmart, restaurants, parking lots. It's darned hard to find a "down range" in the real world. Or, the whole world is "down range", depending on your perspective.

That's not what I was taught, if you weren't wearing the Color of the day you were shot dead, even if we knew you weren't involved, you were still considered a collaborator..

 

[HoughMade]

That was before DADT, so a bunch of those unbearded recruits had beards at home.

It was a softer, more mysterious time for a young guy just trying to pay for college....less tactical, but filled with wonder.