The Border Wall

[churchmouse]

Leadeye posted

always follow the money !


He does that quite a bit.

And he is most always correct.

 

[Brad69]

I better quit posting tonight I know CM has to have his coco and watch Lawrence Welk in order to be in bed soon don’t wanna get him worked up before bedtime!

I will post on

1. How to get you illegal elderly parents on SS.

2. How to get your perfectly normal children on SSI as disabled and get yourself a check as a caregiver.

 

[bwframe]

Next move for the Kenny Nunn's of the world. Personal injury is out, immigration and elections are in...

 

[churchmouse]

I better quit posting tonight I know CM has to have his coco and watch Lawrence Welk in order to be in bed soon don’t wanna get him worked up before bedtime!

I will post on

1. How to get you illegal elderly parents on SS.

2. How to get your perfectly normal children on SSI as disabled and get yourself a check as a caregiver.

I do appreciate your considerations.

And somewhere in all of the the Dems are looking to build this up as a voting block.

 

[INPatriot]

And somewhere in all of the the Dems are looking to build this up as a voting block.

In the Chuck and Nancy live debate, I wish this would have been brought up. I wish he'd have looked at both of them and said, "Your primary concern is building a voting bloc. That's all you want. Eight years ago, ten years ago, you were "against" illegal immigration because you wanted to remain the party of the blue collar America, but now that you've lost blue collar America, you're all for illegal immigration because it builds an instant voting base. What say you Chuck? What say you Nancy?"

Regarding Candidiate/President Trump being the one to expose the bureaucrats behind the curtain. Has not that been his modus operandi? He mixes everything up by throwing bombs into the establishment line of thinking.

 

[Brad69]

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[Kutnupe14]

In the Chuck and Nancy live debate, I wish this would have been brought up. I wish he'd have looked at both of them and said, "Your primary concern is building a voting bloc. That's all you want. Eight years ago, ten years ago, you were "against" illegal immigration because you wanted to remain the party of the blue collar America, but now that you've lost blue collar America, you're all for illegal immigration because it builds an instant voting base. What say you Chuck? What say you Nancy?"

Regarding Candidiate/President Trump being the one to expose the bureaucrats behind the curtain. Has not that been his modus operandi? He mixes everything up by throwing bombs into the establishment line of thinking.

You'll have to explain, how illegal immigrants are an "instant" voting base for the Democrats. It's probably a good thing that wasn't brought up, because other than the folks that bought into the 3 million illegals voting in the last presidential election, it sounds foolish.

 

[T.Lex]

To the OP's point, I think Trump is savvy enough to recognize that when things are going badly for him, he has been able to resort to The Wall The Wall The Wall, and get support.

So, yeah, I think Trump uses it as a distraction.

The current situation, though, suggests to me that this particular well may be running dry.

 

[Kutnupe14]

To the OP's point, I think Trump is savvy enough to recognize that when things are going badly for him, he has been able to resort to The Wall The Wall The Wall, and get support.

So, yeah, I think Trump uses it as a distraction.

The current situation, though, suggests to me that this particular well may be running dry.

I would like to think most of his supporters are a fair bit smarter than he gives them credit for.

 

[mmpsteve]

You'll have to explain, how illegal immigrants are an "instant" voting base for the Democrats. It's probably a good thing that wasn't brought up, because other than the folks that bought into the 3 million illegals voting in the last presidential election, it sounds foolish.

So even if - and it's a big if - illegals are not instant Dem votes, how do you explain that up until a few years ago, Dems sounded like (mouthed the words) they were in favor of getting illegal immigration under control?

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[Kutnupe14]

So even if - and it's a big if - illegals are not instant Dem votes, how do you explain that up until a few years ago, Dems sounded like (mouthed the words) they were in favor of getting illegal immigration under control?

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They are in favor of getting immigration under control. They, I believe, besides not giving the president a "win," don't think a wall will be effective, nor do they want to tie themselves to the president's divisive rhetoric concerning such. Democrats backing the president after he's labeled immigrants as rapists, drug dealers, gang members, and bad hombres, would not sit well with many of their constituents, as it would appear to be tacit agreement.

 

[T.Lex]

I would like to think most of his supporters are a fair bit smarter than he gives them credit for.

I don't think it is a matter of intelligence (for the most part). I think it is a matter of being fooled. At some point, a charlatan runs out of tricks.

 

[Ark]

I don't know if that makes the wall a red herring or a stalking horse.
Maybe it's a stalking herring. Or it might be a red horse.

What do you think?

I think Trump is a dumb person who is bad at his job, and pretty much all of his actions can be adequately explained by the fact that Trump is a dumb person who is bad at his job.

Nothing goes under the radar in the year 2018. Nothing is being snuck by. The simple, clear explanation is that Trump wants it, he promised it, he's massively insecure about not being able to deliver it, so he's going to continue throwing fits until he gets what he wants. If the policy wasn't so dumb, it would almost be refreshing to have a president who, two years after his election, still acts like he wants to do a thing he promised.

 

[mmpsteve]

I think Trump is a dumb person who is bad at his job, and pretty much all of his actions can be adequately explained by the fact that Trump is a dumb person who is bad at his job.

Nothing goes under the radar in the year 2018. Nothing is being snuck by. The simple, clear explanation is that Trump wants it, he promised it, he's massively insecure about not being able to deliver it, so he's going to continue throwing fits until he gets what he wants. If the policy wasn't so dumb, it would almost be refreshing to have a president who, two years after his election, still acts like he wants to do a thing he promised.

And I hope he eventually gets what he wants, and promised, because I agee with that. Does that make me a bad person, that I want control of our borders? And maybe you should rejoice in a President that tries to carry out his promises. I guess Obama tried to carry out his promise - to fundamentally change America - and he did - to my detriment (not to mention historic deficit spending) . And I disagee that controlling borders is a dumb policy. Historically, controlling borders has been rather important.

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[Kutnupe14]

And I hope he eventually gets what he wants, and promised, because I agee with that. Does that make me a bad person, that I want control of our borders? And maybe you should rejoice in a President that tries to carry out his promises. I guess Obama tried to carry out his promise - to fundamentally change America - and he did - to my detriment (not to mention historic deficit spending) . And I disagee that controlling borders is a dumb policy. Historically, controlling borders has been rather important.

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His promise was that Mexico would pay for the wall, and his supporters ate that up. If he never intended to follow through on that in the first place, why did he bring it up. He should have just said "I want to build a wall... it's going to cost 25+ billion, and I want you to pay for it."

 

[bwframe]

It's pretty cool to see the nevertrumpers get proven wrong every single time, eh? Funny how they keep looking and keep looking and keeping looking to somehow prove themselves "right," but never do.

 

[mmpsteve]

His promise was that Mexico would pay for the wall, and his supporters ate that up. If he never intended to follow through on that in the first place, why did he bring it up. He should have just said "I want to build a wall... it's going to cost 25+ billion, and I want you to pay for it."

C'mon, Mr. K. No one on either side believed that, ever. Twas hyperbole, and we all get that. It happens.

 

[Kutnupe14]

It's pretty cool to see the nevertrumpers get proven wrong every single time, eh? Funny how they keep looking and keep looking and keeping looking to somehow prove themselves "right," but never do.

Harumpf! Harumpf! (Unintelligible voices in background)
I'm not calling someone who unilaterally changed federal law to eliminate bumpstocks "pro-gun."

 

[Ark]

And I hope he eventually gets what he wants, and promised, because I agee with that. Does that make me a bad person, that I want control of our borders? And maybe you should rejoice in a President that tries to carry out his promises. I guess Obama tried to carry out his promise - to fundamentally change America - and he did - to my detriment (not to mention historic deficit spending) . And I disagee that controlling borders is a dumb policy. Historically, controlling borders has been rather important.

A wall does not control a border. It's a quick fix "solution" that appeals to dumb people who believe in quick fixes. Unchanging, fixed physical barriers never last against determined, continuously innovating attackers. You can defeat a $25 billion wall with a $20 extension ladder and some rope. Somebody will come up with a laughably easy and efficient way to defeat the wall, same as people have come up with ways to defeat all forms of passive physical security. It's the nation state equivalent of slapping a Masterlock on your rifle case and calling it secure.

I think spending money on border security is a great idea. Spending money on border security in the form of a wall across the desert wasteland is dumb as hell. It is an inefficient solution and a poor return on investment outside of populated areas, almost all of which already have a physical barrier in place.

Until the incentive structure that drives illegal border crossings is corrected, a wall is just a minor obstacle to people whose job it is to figure out how to defeat obstacles. That requires Congress to get off their asses and make the hard choices instead of just setting fire to money out in the desert and pretending they did something.

 

[Kutnupe14]

C'mon, Mr. K. No one on either side believed that, ever. Twas hyperbole, and we all get that. It happens.

I assure you there were more than a few that believed that. Even now, people are saying that Mexico is going to pay for the wall "indirectly," which is only a tad bit more believable that directly.