The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

[mmpsteve]

There's a reason why child and slave labor still exists.

In the places where child and slave labor still exist, and/or people still live in destitution, have they embraced capitalism? You could even apply this question to America's inner cities. Have they embraced capitalism? I think not, and the results speak for themselves.

 

[jamil]

Have you actually read Marx in-depth? From the part I bolded, it appears that you have not. You're speaking from the perspective of a nation, insularly, while ignoring it's effects on the foreign labor it benefits from. Don't look at Capitalism, as "uplifting" Americans, which it surely did... look at Capitalism (from Marx's POV) as the exploitation of labor outside of the proletariat. Proletariat being anyone or thing that exploits labor for personal gain. That majority of labor that provides goods and services to the most capitalistic of places has most certainly NOT uplifted people. There's a reason why child and slave labor still exists.

No. I haven't read Marx in depth. It's just not been on my list of priority reading. But this conversation convinces me that we're talking past each other. So. Lay it out what you're saying is the fault of Capitalism, according to Marx, that you think is correct. Then we'll go from there.

 

[Alpo]

No. Marx got some things right. But he got enough stuff wrong that we can say he was full of ****.

No. I haven't read Marx in depth. It's just not been on my list of priority reading.

And here is a perfect example of the reason these conversations go nowhere.

 

[nonobaddog]

Nowhere seems very appropriate.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Nowhere seems very appropriate.

That depends on where you're coming from. The idea of Capitalism is honestly a very hard concept to understand, if you have been denied participation in it. Socialism,conversely, is a very easy concept to understand. This would be especially true of peasant classes and those in bondage. It's like democracy. Democracy isn't always the best way to change a nation, at least not from the outset. The more wealth a nation acquires, the more ideal (IMO) it is for accepting Democracy.

 

[Kutnupe14]

In the places where child and slave labor still exist, and/or people still live in destitution, have they embraced capitalism? You could even apply this question to America's inner cities. Have they embraced capitalism? I think not, and the results speak for themselves.

I'm trying to find an old example as to the way it was explained to me in college.

 

[printcraft]

And here is a perfect example of the reason these conversations go nowhere.

Not really.
It's akin to saying: The devil had a couple of "good ideas" along they way.

The bad FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR... FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR outweighs any benefit.

 

[Alpo]

And I reiterate that most of these statements are made without knowledge of what he actually wrote.

It's much akin to criticism of Shakespeare's Henry V without knowledge of Agincourt or bothering to read the play.

Not worth debating.

 

[printcraft]

And I reiterate that most of these statements are made without knowledge of what he actually wrote.

It's much akin to criticism of Shakespeare's Henry V without knowledge of Agincourt or bothering to read the play.

Not worth debating.

MILLIONS OF DEAD PEOPLE WOULD AGREE!!!

 

[Alpo]

It is obvious you don't know the difference between Das Kapital and his other writings. Try again.

 

[printcraft]

It is obvious you don't know the difference between Das Kapital and his other writings. Try again.

You promised there would be no debate.

 

[Alpo]

There won't be. You couldn't start one. You've proved that.

 

[Route 45]

I'm not so sure that being proud of the ability to debate the intricacies of Karl Marx's writings is a good thing.
Hitler made the trains run on time, but that doesn't make me want to study the man's thoughts, given the big picture.

 

[Alpo]

You wouldn't be a very good scientist if you didn't understand the arguments of your opponents.

 

[actaeon277]

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[Route 45]

You wouldn't be a very good scientist if you didn't understand the arguments of your opponents.

You wouldn't be a very good debater if you thought political opinion was the equivalent of science.

But I may be wrong. You may indeed be a master debater.

 

[printcraft]

There won't be. You couldn't start one. You've proved that.

 

[Alpo]

You wouldn't be a very good debater if you thought political opinion was the equivalent of science.

But I may be wrong. You may indeed be a master debater.

Well, you confused communism with Marx' treatise on capitalism, so it's obvious who isn't ready to do more than play with his....er....

 

[jamil]

And here is a perfect example of the reason these conversations go nowhere.

I've read and understand his labor theory of value. Even Marxists claim that's pretty much the ball-o-wax. If that theory is full of ****, then other than some details Marx got right, whatever else is based on that is also full of ****. I don't have to read every volume he's written. I only need to read the thing he bases his worldview on to know it's ****.

He was also full of **** to say that capitalism is the reason there are classes. There are classes because there are varying competencies. There'd be classes no matter what, because people aren't equal. People weren't equal in the Soviet Union. Or any other scaled socialist system. There's a ruling class of overlords, there's the useful idiots, the brainwashed derps, and then there's everyone else who isn't so easily brainwashed.

The way you make a classless system, you brainwash the people to subvert their self-interested nature, and make them think that the collective is most important. Of course, the most competent people aren't so easily brainwashed. They either become part of the ruling class if they're corrupt enough and play along, or, they get killed off by the ruling class if not, or they pretend to go along and they plot the demise of their overlords. The organic revolution is to overthrow all that nonsense and bring in Capitalism. Marxist communism isn't sustainable because all that equal outcome makes people really ****ing miserable.

The organic revolution against capitalism will never come. Useful idiots become professors of sociology and the like and then brainwash future useful idiots. And maybe they might start a revolution--you know, like the geniuses of Antifa--but then, that's not organic.

 

[actaeon277]

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