The election shenanigans thread

[Ingomike]

One other thing about ISL. It asserts state legislators have sole authority over voting policy, including courts. I agree with it that the state's legislative body gets to make laws about state election policies, and that governors and state officials cannot supersede that.

Courts do not have any oversight. It is an unconstitutional line of legal attack over what the courts are to do, including prescribing the manner electors are chosen. Their role is to interpret what the legislature directed, not create laws.

But to say courts don't have oversight is flat out wrong. If that were the case, who could stop an activist partisan legislature from overtly disfavoring one party over the other?

The voters are the constitutional authority to stop an activist partisan legislature.

This is not rocket science, just read and study the constitution and it will reveal the way…

 

[Leadeye]

If a court does not accept a case and grant discovery power, just exactly HOW do you think those investigations will happen?

Somehow I just don't see Garland being willing to open an investigation or conduct an honest one if he did

I hope every Republican/America First voter can see that when Trump wins he'll need to run the country like the Dems did. No matter whether he has a comfortable majority in congress or not, he'll need to drive it like he stole it and make them drag him into court when he has the resources of government behind him to resist. He'll need to fire or replace at least 1/3 of all GS employees in order to make sure his directives are implemented and followed

The reason, IMO, it is important to coalesce behind Trump as early as possible is to make it seem safe for competent people to join his administration if asked knowing the people have their back. Trump will need all the help he can get

Garland is an old machine hack from chicago, so if anybody would know how elections are rigged, he would.

 

[manifest destiny]

If a court does not accept a case and grant discovery power, just exactly HOW do you think those investigations will happen?

This.
And this again.
The courts dodged.
Not a surprise, if one's paid attention.
We're forked.
This was almost a haiku.
FJB and the people that dangle his marionette strings.

 

[jamil]

Courts do not have any oversight. It is an unconstitutional line of legal attack over what the courts are to do, including prescribing the manner electors are chosen. Their role is to interpret what the legislature directed, not create laws.




The voters are the constitutional authority to stop an activist partisan legislature.

This is not rocket science, just read and study the constitution and it will reveal the way…

Courts can rule that election rules that legislatures pass violate the constitution. A legislature cannot pass just anything. Judicial review.

 

[jamil]

If a court does not accept a case and grant discovery power, just exactly HOW do you think those investigations will happen?

Somehow I just don't see Garland being willing to open an investigation or conduct an honest one if he did

I hope every Republican/America First voter can see that when Trump wins he'll need to run the country like the Dems did. No matter whether he has a comfortable majority in congress or not, he'll need to drive it like he stole it and make them drag him into court when he has the resources of government behind him to resist. He'll need to fire or replace at least 1/3 of all GS employees in order to make sure his directives are implemented and followed

The reason, IMO, it is important to coalesce behind Trump as early as possible is to make it seem safe for competent people to join his administration if asked knowing the people have their back. Trump will need all the help he can get

It is what it is. The courts are the avenue set up to handle such disputes about elections. But activist judges aren't doing their jobs. But in terms of standing, another state doesn't have standing to complain about another state, especially when one believes in ISL.

If "coalesce" means ignoring the bad stuff, no. I'm not going to do that. For example, if Trump is trying to take out Massie, I'm not going to coalesce around that. He's probably the most America-first/freedom oriented member of Congress. Maybe he's not the most loyal Trump supporter. So if it's true that Trump is trying to take him out, that's not America-first. That's Trump-first. This isn't one of those, perfection is the enemy of good. It's just flat out bad for America.

 

[jamil]

I believe that ruling was narrower than you wish to portray it. the case came in response to a civil rights act based challenge to redistricting maps, and when SCOTUS weighed the claim of the state legislature having sole authority to implement representation district maps, without congressional oversight, against 14th amendment concerns the court favored a role for congressional oversight

I believe using that ruling to claim a governor can usurp the legislature's unambiguously constitutionally designated roll of determining how elections are conducted would be a different thing. That said, Shapiro may be confident in which way his state Supreme Court will jump but he may have jumped the gun - or he just doesn't want the Dem tactic of raising court challenges so late not enough time is available to adjudicate them, and thus getting an injunction against disfavored changes, to be used against him

Okay, first, I don't wish to portray that the 2023 ruling means governors can set aside its state laws (emergency orders is a stickier matter). I mean to portray that the idea of ISL, that a state legislatures' duly passed election laws can't be challenged, was overruled. And, as a matter of is rather than ought, activist judges might try to use that to just dismiss the case.

We don't need ISL theory to say that the executive branch in a state can't break the laws that the legislature has passed, whether it's about elections or not. That's just simply rule of law whether it's about elections, or parking tickets.

I agreed with Mike that PA has standing, and they have a case, that state executive officials can't just make up their own laws. And as far as Biden's EO, PA obviously has standing there too, and a case against the EO. The President's EO can't override state laws. If the POTUS doesn't like a state law, all he can do is take it to court.

 

[DadSmith]

Oregon Supreme Court rules GOP lawmakers who walked out can’t run for reelection

The Oregon Supreme Court ruled Thursday that 10 GOP state senators cannot run for reelection after they refused to attend Senate sessions for about six weeks out of protest last year in an attempt …

thehill.com

This may or may not be shenanigans.
If they knew the rule/law they should have been smarter is my opinion. If what they did meets the requirements of said rule/law.

 

[Magyars]

 

[DadSmith]

VA Dems Want To Make Bipartisan Election Oversight A 'Hate Crime'

SB 364 arrives as Democrats push the narrative that conservatives are a threat to democracy at large and election workers in particular.

thefederalist.com

 

[Ingomike]

States fight against foreign funding of ballot votes, despite leftist Swiss billionaire’s funding

Soros 2.0? Funds from a foreign national have been given to progressive nonprofits that campaign for left-wing issues.

justthenews.com

 

[indyblue]

States fight against foreign funding of ballot votes, despite leftist Swiss billionaire’s funding

Soros 2.0? Funds from a foreign national have been given to progressive nonprofits that campaign for left-wing issues.

justthenews.com

I'm not holding my breath.

 

[DadSmith]

See The Grave Markers Of Long-Dead Residents Still On MI Voter Rolls

'There have been 16 federal elections' since Pauline Schmainda died in 1990, but the former resident is still on Michigan's voter roll.

thefederalist.com

 

[Magyars]

 

[smokingman]

Mail-In Ballot Fraud Study Finds Trump 'Almost Certainly' Won In 2020 | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

If you have read zero articles in this thread, you may want to read this one and look at the study.

 

[BugI02]

IBTUSDTS

(In before the usual suspects denigrate the source)

 

[KG1]

Good source.

 

[smokingman]

Good source.

Heartland Institute did the study, so yes I believe 99% of INGO users would approve.

Direct link.

Mail-in Voter Fraud and the 2020 Election – The Heartland Institute

The Heartland Institute is one of the world’s leading free-market think tanks. It is a national nonprofit research and education organization based in Arlington Heights, Illinois. Its mission since its founding in 1984 is to discover, develop, and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems.

We are an “action tank” as well as a “think tank,” and we measure our success by the impact we have in the real world. The Heartland Institute plays an essential role in the national (and increasingly in the international) movement for personal liberty and limited government. We are the pipeline between the freedom movement’s leading writers and thinkers and the nation’s 8,400 national and state elected officials.

We focus on issues in education, environmental protection, health care, budgets and taxes, and Stopping Socialism.

"Freedom had been hunted round the globe; reason was considered as rebellion; and the slavery of fear had made men afraid to think. But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."
Thomas Paine

 

[KG1]

Heartland Institute did the study, so yes I believe 99% of INGO users would approve.

Direct link.

Mail-in Voter Fraud and the 2020 Election – The Heartland Institute

The Heartland Institute is one of the world’s leading free-market think tanks. It is a national nonprofit research and education organization based in Arlington Heights, Illinois. Its mission since its founding in 1984 is to discover, develop, and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems.

We are an “action tank” as well as a “think tank,” and we measure our success by the impact we have in the real world. The Heartland Institute plays an essential role in the national (and increasingly in the international) movement for personal liberty and limited government. We are the pipeline between the freedom movement’s leading writers and thinkers and the nation’s 8,400 national and state elected officials.

We focus on issues in education, environmental protection, health care, budgets and taxes, and Stopping Socialism.

"Freedom had been hunted round the globe; reason was considered as rebellion; and the slavery of fear had made men afraid to think. But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."
Thomas Paine

I read all that on the website. That's why I said it appears to be a good source. They even have an endorsement from Mark Levin. That's good enough.

They also have one from Mike Pence, but I won't hold that against them.

 

[Leadeye]

States fight against foreign funding of ballot votes, despite leftist Swiss billionaire’s funding

Soros 2.0? Funds from a foreign national have been given to progressive nonprofits that campaign for left-wing issues.

justthenews.com

The non profit money shuffle gets larger and more byzantine all the time.

 

[Ingomike]

The non profit money shuffle gets larger and more byzantine all the time.

It sure does. It seems dems are constantly playing the pea shell game with the money, and do they now have lots of it. The elites have moved from being republican country club rich to the left...