The First Presidential Debate

[spencer rifle]

I disagree somewhat, not voting is also a choice, a vote if you will for the status quo. A vote that one is free and do not have to do an exercise if they don't wish. I have always believed that a significant portion of democratic voters were uninformed and voted emotionally under the influence of others. I also believe that the left also believes that as well due to their constant efforts to "get out the vote". Just who is get out the vote directed at if not the uninformed? Who is sitting at home fully informed on the candidates and issues and going to just blow off voting?

SWMBO, that's who. In spite of my informing her from the right and our oldest informing her from the left, she intends to sit this one out. At least this way she won't cancel out my vote as she has done in the past. Maybe we can changer her mind? There's still time.

 

[BugI02]

Absolutely. I believe Trump is a wannabe tyrant, and I’ve always believed he lacks the intelligence for the job. Hell, No ****, I think BUG, Jamil, and plenty of other people here have significantly more understanding of the workings of govt than the president. That’s a problem for me. I wonder if they think they have a better grasp on how our nation works than Trump.

I have no qualms about supporting Trump and I do not believe he aspires to be a tyrant. I think at heart he loves what America was, is and can be; and I think what confuses people is they have forgotten what such a person looks like in thought and deed because we haven't seen the like in a long time

After such a long period of leftward drift, any meaningful correction requites a pretty sharp tack to the right and some turbulence in the rigging will be unavoidable

No one should fool themselves, this election is existential for what it means to be an American

 

[printcraft]

As far as future debates, biden can only hurt himself if this one is an indicator.
He's trying to fence sit.
He did step in it with the greenies and the abolish the police crowd.

 

[BugI02]

If I were an undecided voter last night would have convinced me to just stay home as neither candidate was worthy of my time and effort to vote.

What if you were that undecided voter and the Komsomol came to your neighborhood, disguised in the trappings of anti-racism, and marched down your street demanding you show fealty to their cause or else?

 

[Hatin Since 87]

What if you were that undecided voter and the Komsomol came to your neighborhood, disguised in the trappings of anti-racism, and marched down your street demanding you show fealty to their cause or else?

Bingo.

I think that has a bigger effect on opinion than any debate ever could. Black lives matter and Antifa being backed by the left have turned many undecided voters away from the party. I have a few friends who were never political and swore the government chose who they wanted, now they’re voting trump.

 

[BugI02]

Im just wanting to get this straight. You think there’s a betting possibility the Democrats created COVID19?

I think he means Democrats are doing all they possibly can to exculpate their buddies in the CCP for their very real responsibility in the matter of the world pandemic, and will bury any and all evidence at odds with the official CCP line if they acheive power

 

[Ingomike]

There were probably 4-5 different points that Biden made that were conspiracy theories that the media pushed.

No pushback on them from Wallace.
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

1. Russian bounties - no evidence that they ever existed. Unnamed sources from NYT. Rejected by a military investigation.
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

2. The “good people on both sides” lie, that has been pointed out time and again.
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

3. Trump not pushing Xi on investigating what happened in Wuhan re: coronavirus. NYT reported that here: https://t.co/TfJtN1NGXw
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

4. The idea that Antifa doesn’t exist as an organization. Even ADL’s definition rejects this: https://t.co/EutCa0T1SV
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

5. Trump’s comments about members of the military.

We’ve got 21 on the record sources denying this claim, even people who can’t stand Trump. The reporting relies on four unnamed sources.
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

6. The idea that his son, Hunter Biden, did nothing wrong.

We should have a lot more charity toward someone dealing with addiction. But the idea that he hasn’t done anything wrong is simply not true. Report here: https://t.co/iPNxQ9LLBW
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020



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I think Wallace did a dreadful job of maintaining a neutral position as a moderator. This is a handy chronicle of just what he let fly at best and worse, actually participated in perpetuating falsehoods promoted by the democrats.

 

[BugI02]

And the point of that would be?

In my opinion the release was accidental but the virus was the result of gain of function experimentation. I find the CCP shut down of intracountry travel from Wuhan while insisting international travel must remain uncontrolled indicative IMO of knowledge that the virus would damage them economically and a considered decision to spread the damage to potential competitors. I think the Democrats were just doing what the money was telling them to do and not thinking at all beyond that until they realized panic and shutdowns could be useful in making sure the Trump economy was damaged and reeling on election day

 

[ditcherman]

Im just wanting to get this straight. You think there’s a betting possibility the Democrats created COVID19?

I'm just wanting to get this straight, you think that there is zero possibility that COVID 19 is man made?


"The Democrats" aren't smart enough to make it, but they sure would use it, I have no doubt.
Same for the "R's"

 

[printcraft]

They were PRAYING for a recession to hurt Trump.

Do I have ANY doubts they are playing up the kung-flu to hurt the economy and Trump?
Not a one.
**** will vanish like a fart in the wind if biden wins.

 

[foszoe]

It was stated before the debate that Wallace was NOT to be a fact checker. That was left to the candidates. If that is your criteria, it doesn't match what the agreements for the debate.

There were probably 4-5 different points that Biden made that were conspiracy theories that the media pushed.

No pushback on them from Wallace.
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

1. Russian bounties - no evidence that they ever existed. Unnamed sources from NYT. Rejected by a military investigation.
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

2. The “good people on both sides” lie, that has been pointed out time and again.
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

3. Trump not pushing Xi on investigating what happened in Wuhan re: coronavirus. NYT reported that here: https://t.co/TfJtN1NGXw
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

4. The idea that Antifa doesn’t exist as an organization. Even ADL’s definition rejects this: https://t.co/EutCa0T1SV
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

5. Trump’s comments about members of the military.

We’ve got 21 on the record sources denying this claim, even people who can’t stand Trump. The reporting relies on four unnamed sources.
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020​

6. The idea that his son, Hunter Biden, did nothing wrong.

We should have a lot more charity toward someone dealing with addiction. But the idea that he hasn’t done anything wrong is simply not true. Report here: https://t.co/iPNxQ9LLBW
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) September 30, 2020



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I think Wallace did a dreadful job of maintaining a neutral position as a moderator. This is a handy chronicle of just what he let fly at best and worse, actually participated in perpetuating falsehoods promoted by the democrats.

 

[printcraft]

It was stated before the debate that Wallace was NOT to be a fact checker. That was left to the candidates. If that is your criteria, it doesn't match what the agreements for the debate.

Was wallace supposed to be a water carrier? Because...

 

[foszoe]

Both sides are blaming Wallace which is a pretty good indication he was fair.

Was wallace supposed to be a water carrier? Because...

 

[Ingomike]

It was stated before the debate that Wallace was NOT to be a fact checker. That was left to the candidates. If that is your criteria, it doesn't match what the agreements for the debate.

You must have watched a different debate, Wallace was a participant in most of the these. The worst being bringing up the Charlottesville lie himself.

 

[printcraft]

Both sides are blaming Wallace which is a pretty good indication he was fair.

LOL

 

[BugI02]

Both sides are blaming Wallace which is a pretty good indication he was fair.

I don't think one side complaining Wallace was a shill and the other side complaining he wasn't an effective shill is indicative of fairness in some way

 

[ditcherman]

I haven't been interested in debates for years. They are just on stage saying what people want to hear, and everyone knows it, they just can't resist having their ears tickled.
I actually looked forward to this one and thought it was ok. Just ok from the perspective that if Trump wouldn't have interrupted as much and let Biden tank himself more it would have been better. But his ego and drive to be a leader is a part of him that cannot be separated.

Concerning future debates, if we don't have them the terrorists win.

Who cares if the rest of the world is laughing at us? They are probably laughing from the knowledge that we may be joining them in their third world/socialist/poverty state. Screw them. United States of America is the greatest country on earth, and we will rise above all this, unless the people that want more civility and the people that think more debates won't be useful to show what a dolt the Dem's put up have their way. Screw them too.The American Spirit is still alive. Be part of it.

 

[foszoe]

How many debates were on last night, or is it if someone disagrees with your POV, they are just wrong? He gave Trump time to respond to what happened in Charlottesville, if Trump didn't do well that's on him not Wallace.

I have heard from several people here that Wallace brought up the Proud Boys, but I heard also that Biden did not Wallace.

You must have watched a different debate, Wallace was a participant in most of the these. The worst being bringing up the Charlottesville lie himself.

 

[JCSR]

How many debates were on last night, or is it if someone disagrees with your POV, they are just wrong? He gave Trump time to respond to what happened in Charlottesville, if Trump didn't do well that's on him not Wallace.

I have heard from several people here that Wallace brought up the Proud Boys, but I heard also that Biden did not Wallace.

WALLACE: “Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups…”
TRUMP: “Sure…”
WALLACE: “And to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we’ve seen in Portland”
TRUMP: “Sure, I’m prepared to do it, but I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing not from the right-wing. I’m willing to do anything, I want to see peace…”
WALLACE: “Then do it, sir.”
BIDEN: “Do it, say it.”
TRUMP: “What do you want to call them? Give me a name.”
WALLACE: “White supremacists and right-wing militias”
BIDEN: “Proud Boys”
Trump: “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left.”


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Here's the transcript for the debate that I watched.

 

[Alpo]

LOL

No one told Trump to act the way he did in the debate. That was his own decision. Obviously, some in his base loved it. The rest of us...not so much.