The FISA Memo - Bigger than Watergate

[bwframe]

any other republican who ran for president would have folded under the assault Trump has faced. He's kicking all of their collective butts right now. I love it. Burn. It. Down. Drain. The. Swamp.

This right here!

 

[Kutnupe14]

The Clinton administration was Watergate X10. This is Watergate X100.

Nah, X1000000!

 

[hoosierdoc]

Nah, X1000000!

on steroids!

This is regime making. A king abdicating to a successor. We don't do kings here.

 

[Kutnupe14]

on steroids!

This is regime making. A king abdicating to a successor. We don't do kings here.

Doc, I appreciate the positive sentiment...but, that post should've been in purple.

 

[Expat]

A congressman reportedly told one of the folks on The Five that he found the report underwhelming.

 

[Dr.Midnight]

A congressman reportedly told one of the folks on The Five that he found the report underwhelming.

It's seems like anything political these days is sensationalized beyond belief when being reported. Let's take a look at this thing, then we can come to our own conclusion. I'm not going to get whipped up in a liberal like Trump frenzy over speculation.

 

[jamil]

It’s a memo, written by a partisan Republican reporting on alledged shenanigans of the opposing administration past. How credibly would you all take that if, say, it came out that A partisan Democrat had written a memo about some investigation into Trump? I’d say, don’t get your hopes up. It’s cloudy. It looks like rain. But the forecast for Democrat tears may be premature.

First, the memo would be just allegations. It takes more than a memo to convict a politician in the court of public opinion. It has to be credible and supported with facts. Just hold your exuberance until you see it for yourself, and hear the facts that back it up.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Doc, I appreciate the positive sentiment...but, that post should've been in purple.

I know.

you disagree it’s worse than watergate? This is a planned scheme by a sitting administration to collude with a candidate to lie to a court in order to get a warrant to spy on her opponent in an effort to swing an election and fraudulently obtain the presidency. That allegation is well above watergate. Using the government to sway an election, that is third world dictator stuff.

 

[KittySlayer]

I know.

you disagree it’s worse than watergate? This is a planned scheme by a sitting administration to collude with a candidate to lie to a court in order to get a warrant to spy on her opponent in an effort to swing an election and fraudulently obtain the presidency. That allegation is well above watergate. Using the government to sway an election, that is third world dictator stuff.

Deja Vu? Not up on my Watergate history but seem to recall that Nixon was pretty much a shoe in to win the election against the other party's poor candidate so there was really no need to send the plumbers to the hotel. Once Hillary cheated Bernie out of any chance I thought everyone was planning her coronation since she was certain to win against an apparently unelectable candidate. Why were the dirty illegal tricks necessary other than the egos of people in power?

 

[Twangbanger]

Deja Vu? Not up on my Watergate history but seem to recall that Nixon was pretty much a shoe in to win the election against the other party's poor candidate so there was really no need to send the plumbers to the hotel. Once Hillary cheated Bernie out of any chance I thought everyone was planning her coronation since she was certain to win against an apparently unelectable candidate. Why were the dirty illegal tricks necessary other than the egos of people in power?

Why necessary? Remember, the goal isn't "just" to win the Presidency. A good "October Surprise" which runs up the score to -20 points in the Prez election (in theory) can cause a bunch of Republicans to stay home on election day because the White House is "unwinnable," which in turn demolishes their down-ballot candidates, and turns over Congress, too***. The Republican Party wanted Trump to "lose close." But the Democrats wanted him to "lose big." They wanted 1964 Barry Goldwater or Nixon again. They "had" the Presidency in the bag (smirk). They wanted everything else, too.


(***unfortunately for Democrats, they found to their chagrin that this thinking can keep the lazier sort of Democrat voter, of which there are many, home on Election Day, also).

 

[Trigger Time]

Doc, I appreciate the positive sentiment...but, that post should've been in purple.

Now we can see how Obama got elected twice and Hillary almost did.
Treason? What Treason? All i see is double rainbows it's so beautiful. And I know Kut is a smart guy so what is it that keeps democrats or other voters from seeing the obvious? Maybe it's because a lot of their voters are criminals themselves and they like a party that breaks the law?

And I agree Doc, Trump is kicking ass and taking names. He has done an awesome job as president and I can't wait to see how much more he wrecks the swamp!

 

[dozer13]

https://www.snopes.com/2018/01/19/russian-networks-pushing-releasethememo-meme/

https://lawfareblog.com/devin-nuness-mystery-memo-repeating-cycle-distraction

 

[ChristianPatriot]

It takes more than a memo to convict a politician in the court of public opinion. It has to be credible and supported with facts.

Welcome! You must be new here...

 

[Kutnupe14]

https://www.snopes.com/2018/01/19/russian-networks-pushing-releasethememo-meme/

https://lawfareblog.com/devin-nuness-mystery-memo-repeating-cycle-distraction

I'll be interested to see if Trumpy decides to declassify this memo.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

It takes more than a memo to convict a politician in the court of public opinion. It has to be credible and supported with facts.

...since when?

 

[Kutnupe14]

...since when?

Yeah, I think the "court of public opinion" part is where that went off the rails.

 

[Alpo]

It’s a memo, written by a partisan Republican reporting on alledged shenanigans of the opposing administration past. How credibly would you all take that if, say, it came out that A partisan Democrat had written a memo about some investigation into Trump? I’d say, don’t get your hopes up. It’s cloudy. It looks like rain. But the forecast for Democrat tears may be premature.

First, the memo would be just allegations. It takes more than a memo to convict a politician in the court of public opinion. It has to be credible and supported with facts. Just hold your exuberance until you see it for yourself, and hear the facts that back it up.

An internal memo written by and for the republicans isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Release it not. It's useless drivel.

 

[Kutnupe14]

An internal memo written by and for the republicans isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Release it not. It's useless drivel.

I'm not so dismissive. There is probably elements of truth in it. I would welcome it being released, along with all accompanying information. If wrongdoing is found, I'd expect those responsible to pay for it according to their crimes.

 

[jamil]

An internal memo written by and for the republicans isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Release it not. It's useless drivel.

Because it’s a partisan memo, I think it’s dubious to declare much about it at all. I think I’d agree with Kut here, let’s see it, and figure out if there’s anything to it. And there could be.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Because it’s a partisan memo, I think it’s dubious to declare much about it at all. I think I’d agree with Kut here, let’s see it, and figure out if there’s anything to it. And there could be.

We'll know if there is anything to it and it starts to gain attention...there'll be a plane crash, a horrific snow storm (ie one that hits the DC area), a mass shooting somewhere and *POOF* it'll be old news and long forgotten.