The gun is ALWAYS loaded.

[Scutter01]

The gun is always loaded. The gun is ALWAYS loaded. Even if you just watched someone clear it, THE FREAKING GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED.

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[shibumiseeker]

What about when the gun is unloaded?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

It's still loaded.

 

[Regionnus Rattis]

Sometimes lessons are just too hard to learn...it's just too bad his GF has to witness it

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I find this scenario unlikely as everyone knows that they have . . . "common sense."

No, you don't have common sense, that's why they had to paint the signs to include all four rules. They are life, follow them.

 

[shibumiseeker]

It's still loaded.

But what if I just unloaded it?

What could go wrong?




Yet some people get all defensive when they are pointing their "unloaded" gun at me and I ask them to point it in another direction.

 

[EdC]

What about when the gun is unloaded?

If it's unloaded, still don't point it at something you're not willing to destroy. Because it's loaded.

 

[shibumiseeker]

If it's unloaded, still don't point it at something you're not willing to destroy. Because it's loaded.

I sense you're trying to say something, but it's still not clear.

 

[Scutter01]

When you start introducing "what if" ("what if I just cleared it?" "what if I counted the rounds I fired"), etc. then you introduce Margin For Error. If you treat it likes it's always loaded, ESPECIALLY when you think it's unloaded, you reduce the risk of an accidental injury by orders of magnitude.

 

[shibumiseeker]

When you start introducing "what if" ("what if I just cleared it?" "what if I counted the rounds I fired"), etc. then you introduce Margin For Error. If you treat it likes it's always loaded, ESPECIALLY when you think it's unloaded, you reduce the risk of an accidental injury by orders of magnitude.

I dunno, it seems unnecessarily complicated...

 

[Sylvain]

I have yet to see a stupid gun "accident" on the news where the shooter didn't break one or more of the 4 safety rules.
It's always "the gun went off by itself" and the same BS.
It's never "the shooter was a total idiot who didn't follow the 4 safety rules".

Some people just dont understand the "always loaded thing" I guess.
They think it's loaded until you unload it, but you CANNOT unload a gun.

For me those things are not accidents, unless the guy was accidentally stupid.
If my gun that's on the table 10 feet away from me shoots me by itself then it's an accident.If I shoot myself in the foot by pressing the trigger then it's no accident.

 

[Scutter01]

I dunno, it seems unnecessarily complicated...

That's why I only carry Nerf guns.

 

[shibumiseeker]

I have yet to see a stupid gun "accident" on the news where the shooter didn't break one or more of the 4 safety rules.
It's always "the gun went off by itself" and the same BS.
It's never "the shooter was a total idiot who didn't follow the 4 safety rules".

Some people just dont understand the "always loaded thing" I guess.
They think it's loaded until you unload it, but you CANNOT unload a gun.

For me those things are not accidents, unless the guy was accidentally stupid.
If my gun that's on the table 10 feet away from me shoots me by itself then it's an accident.If I shoot myself in the foot by pressing the trigger then it's no accident.

The only time I consider a gun unloaded is if it is disassembled in some where where it is impossible to fire. If I want to check the bore of a revolver, the cylinder is out and my finger is in the gap. A rifle, the bolt is out and my finger is in the receiver. A semiauto pistol, the barrel is out of the slide.

 

[shibumiseeker]

That's why I only carry Nerf guns.

I have 2.

And a couple days ago watched the gf struggle with checking to see if it was indexed properly without looking down the barrel

 

[Wild Deuce]

Why I disagree with the ... "The gun is always loaded" premise:

On Safety

Please read the blog post completely before raging.

 

[Sylvain]

The only time I consider a gun unloaded is if it is disassembled in some where where it is impossible to fire. If I want to check the bore of a revolver, the cylinder is out and my finger is in the gap. A rifle, the bolt is out and my finger is in the receiver. A semiauto pistol, the barrel is out of the slide.

I do the same.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Follow me here: "treat all guns as if they were loaded" tacitly admits that there are, in fact, two states for a firearm - loaded and unloaded.

Silly strawman by someone who should know better.

Rule #1: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.

The sad side of Rule #1 is that it implies once you've verified a gun is unloaded, the rest of the rules don't apply to it; you may handle it differently.

Absolutely not! The Four Rules light is always on.


And now, a rebuttal to Wild's link, the defense calls Clint Smith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uytPO0UaDM

 

[snorko]

What about when the gun is unloaded?

It's still loaded.

Schrodinger's magazine?

 

[Scutter01]

Silly strawman by someone who should know better.

Know how I know you only read half the article?

 

[Kedric]

The gun is always loaded. It's true. You're wrong if you think otherwise (unless the gun is in pieces).

On the lighter side: An oldie but a goody: Bleeped language, but I'd still call it NSFW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpgL5kuBpMA