The nerve of Californians and wild fires.

[ditcherman]

America's Paper of Record divines the reason for the latest firestorm:

God Officially Pronounces Divine Judgment On Gender Reveal Parties

That one is very well thought out. I mean, we see a bunch of those posted from Babylon Bee, and of course we tend to see only those which are good enough for INGO. That one is high quality satire.

Hahaha because they are dumb!

We are doomed.

 

[Alamo]

... Imagine the commitment and infrastructure needed just to keep track of where the power came from and how it was made, when all the lines are connected anyway. That's how far off the rocker these people are.

There is no doubt that California is bonkers when it comes to power generation, along with pretty much everything else, but it's probably not impossible to determine the source of electricity, mainly because the companies involved in generating and transmitting it will keep track of the costs and revenue involved.

Fun fact: there are three power grids in the CONUS at the national level: the Western Grid, the Eastern Grid, and the grid that belongs to only one state whose name I shall not mention because when you start talking about how things are done there Churchmouse has to give Kirk Freeman a case of .45 ACP, or maybe it's the other way around? I dunno. Anyway, to keep KF's grumbling to a minimum, we'll give that state a code name that nobody will guess. Um lessee...how about Lonestar?

Anyway California is in the Western grid (which extends into Canada IIRC) along with several other western states, and this is one of the things that bedevils their policy makers when they are trying to dictate to reality. They don't have full control at the state level, they have to coordinate things within the Western Grid with other states and the feds to avoid jeopardizing the grid for the whole western half of the US (minus that one western state codenamed Lonestar). Likewise, everybody in the Eastern Grid (e.g. Indiana) has to coordinate with all the other states and regulatory powers so as to keep chaos to a minimum. Codename Lonestar only has to coordinate with itself, within state borders, which has the added benefit of keeping regulation of its electricity out of the clutches of the feds, specifically the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, so that also reduces the friction of coordination. No "interstate commerce" worries.

It's also why Tex....er, um Lonestar maybe the the only place that has a chance at making wind power work. Among it's many other downsides, wind power experiments in other states and countries have suffered from a lack of enough transmission capacity to carry the power produced when the wind was actually blowing. The windy areas where big wind turbines have a chance to work are generally out in middle of nowhere, either on land or on sea, and that means there's not a lot of transmission lines already in place.

Lonestar has been working on windpower since the 70s, and along with control of its own grid under the authority of the Legislature and the state regulatory authority (ERCOT), they were able to come up with market zones and competitive markets that encourage the power companies to put in the transmission lines to carry power from way out in west...you know where... back to where people want to use it. There's still more power generation than transmission lines in some cases, so some major battery farms are being built out that way. ERCOT and the Leg have largely focused on setting up rules and markets for power companies to compete in, versus mandating goals and requirements. There are subsidies involved and no doubt some major backscrathing, but the consequence is that Lonestar produces far more wind power (and I suspect renewable energy in general) than California can ever hope to do.

Georgetown, too close to Austin, tried to short circuit this by taking a grant from Bloomberg (yes, that Bloomberg) and mandating that the entire city would be powered 100% by wind and solar, no gas/coal/etc. I think it took only one year for them to end up with power shortage, budget deficits, and increased property taxes (which are high already because no income tax) and pull the plug on the whole project. So not unexpectedly it was a dud, but serves as an example to everyone else on how not to do things.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Lonestar... Lonestar...


Oh wait! I bet it's Rhode Island. It's Rhode Island isn't it?

 

[BugI02]

There is no doubt that California is bonkers when it comes to power generation, along with pretty much everything else, but it's probably not impossible to determine the source of electricity, mainly because the companies involved in generating and transmitting it will keep track of the costs and revenue involved.

Fun fact: there are three power grids in the CONUS at the national level: the Western Grid, the Eastern Grid, and the grid that belongs to only one state whose name I shall not mention because when you start talking about how things are done there Churchmouse has to give Kirk Freeman a case of .45 ACP, or maybe it's the other way around? I dunno. Anyway, to keep KF's grumbling to a minimum, we'll give that state a code name that nobody will guess. Um lessee...how about Lonestar?

[This was actually proven by Enron, before they collapsed, when during a previous power shortage in Cali they shipped power generated within Cali across the border so they could send it back in as power that had no price controls and make their own rain. They were never caught until the close scrutiny of their business practices post collapse. Price controls ====> black markets]

Anyway California is in the Western grid (which extends into Canada IIRC) along with several other western states, and this is one of the things that bedevils their policy makers when they are trying to dictate to reality. They don't have full control at the state level, they have to coordinate things within the Western Grid with other states and the feds to avoid jeopardizing the grid for the whole western half of the US (minus that one western state codenamed Lonestar). Likewise, everybody in the Eastern Grid (e.g. Indiana) has to coordinate with all the other states and regulatory powers so as to keep chaos to a minimum. Codename Lonestar only has to coordinate with itself, within state borders, which has the added benefit of keeping regulation of its electricity out of the clutches of the feds, specifically the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, so that also reduces the friction of coordination. No "interstate commerce" worries.

It's also why Tex....er, um Lonestar maybe the the only place that has a chance at making wind power work. Among it's many other downsides, wind power experiments in other states and countries have suffered from a lack of enough transmission capacity to carry the power produced when the wind was actually blowing. The windy areas where big wind turbines have a chance to work are generally out in middle of nowhere, either on land or on sea, and that means there's not a lot of transmission lines already in place.

Lonestar has been working on windpower since the 70s, and along with control of its own grid under the authority of the Legislature and the state regulatory authority (ERCOT), they were able to come up with market zones and competitive markets that encourage the power companies to put in the transmission lines to carry power from way out in west...you know where... back to where people want to use it. There's still more power generation than transmission lines in some cases, so some major battery farms are being built out that way. ERCOT and the Leg have largely focused on setting up rules and markets for power companies to compete in, versus mandating goals and requirements. There are subsidies involved and no doubt some major backscrathing, but the consequence is that Lonestar produces far more wind power (and I suspect renewable energy in general) than California can ever hope to do.

Georgetown, too close to Austin, tried to short circuit this by taking a grant from Bloomberg (yes, that Bloomberg) and mandating that the entire city would be powered 100% by wind and solar, no gas/coal/etc. I think it took only one year for them to end up with power shortage, budget deficits, and increased property taxes (which are high already because no income tax) and pull the plug on the whole project. So not unexpectedly it was a dud, but serves as an example to everyone else on how not to do things.

*.*

 

[foszoe]

Lonestar... Lonestar...


Oh wait! I bet it's Rhode Island. It's Rhode Island isn't it?

Its not even all of Lonestar. Look at ERCOT on a map

 

[russc2542]

And its not just the overpopulating burn-ey areas. Its the econazis preventing prescribed burns because they are bad for the ecosystem, air quality, etc. They fail to grasp this stuff is SUPPOSED to burn every couple years. You end up with small, helpful (seeds, grasses, etc) fires every 5 years, instead of huge infernos.

The small burns are great for some seeds and many grasses. Some pines dont release seeds from the cones until they are heated. And once that happens more pines grow. UNTIL... no fire happens for years and then the inferno comes through, utterly destroying the cone AND the seed. Now permanent damage has been done.

Don't forget that the smaller yearly fires burn off the tinder that collects on the forest floor... small tinder = small fire. no fire means the tinder builds up. big tinder = big fire.

 

[Alamo]

Its not even all of Lonestar. Look at ERCOT on a map

yes there are some areas on the border that had stronger electrical ties to neighboring states. About 40 counties out of 292. I think El Paso is the biggest city not in the ERCOT Grid, but the vast majority of Tex...er Lonestar is managed by ERCOT - 75% of the land area and 90% of the electrical load.

 

[Cameramonkey]

On a related note, there is a POS running around setting more fires in Oregon.

https://kval.com/news/local/man-seen-starting-fires-at-oregon-state-park-local-fire-chief-says

 

[BugI02]

On a related note, there is a POS running around setting more fires in Oregon.

https://kval.com/news/local/man-seen-starting-fires-at-oregon-state-park-local-fire-chief-says

What's the over/under on whether, when caught, he will be way left of center and self-describe as a progressive?

 

[BugI02]

Don't forget that the smaller yearly fires burn off the tinder that collects on the forest floor... small tinder = small fire. no fire means the tinder builds up. big tinder = big fire.

Weren't they supposed to have learned that in '88 in Yellowstone?

 

[Leadeye]

What's the over/under on whether, when caught, he will be way left of center and self-describe as a progressive?

He'll say he had to burn the forest in order to save it from loggers.

 

[actaeon277]

What's the over/under on whether, when caught, he will be way left of center and self-describe as a progressive?

Bury him/her/it.
They you don't have to care.

Start punishing people instead of babying them, and some (not all) will decide it's not worth it.

 

[actaeon277]

What's the over/under on whether, when caught, he will be way left of center and self-describe as a progressive?

Tim Pool has a live report going out right now about it. Title says a BLM activist has been caught starting them.
But my old browser won't view the live youtube videos.
It's his timcast irl channel.
Maybe tomorrow he's have one of his regular videos, which I can watch, and find the article he's referencing.
I'm not finding it on the Yahoo.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I watched a video on it a while back. CA and eco groups sued the electric co so that they couldn't upgrade their infrastructure, plus were forced to move almost all new investment in renewable energies instead of the fossil fuels that would have prevented much of the issues. Add to that they're closing down the nuclear plant(s) and it's only going to get worse. That's what corruption + feel good policies with no basis in reality gets you.

Hold on to your hats folks. This is coming to a town near you in the not so distant future. Coal Plants are closing and there will probably not be another Nuke.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I know words don't mean anything, these are not "Gender" reveal parties, but "Sex" reveal parties. As "OP insinuated, there is a difference between biological "Sex designation" and sociological "Gender identification". One can be determined using objective standards and observable indicators and the other is a made up bunch of ****.

INGSOC, Newspeak, we have always been at war with Eastasia, etc.

 

[Tombs]

On a related note, there is a POS running around setting more fires in Oregon.

https://kval.com/news/local/man-seen-starting-fires-at-oregon-state-park-local-fire-chief-says

Antifa now utilizing ecological terrorism.

Who'd have guessed leftists would be the ones to set the forests on fire.

 

[BugI02]

Antifa now utilizing ecological terrorism.

Who'd have guessed leftists would be the ones to set the forests on fire.

Yeah, you would think you could run some NG fired powerplants for a lo-o-o-ng time and still not put as much carbon in the air as one CalFire

 

[Cameramonkey]

Yeah, you would think you could run some NG fired powerplants for a lo-o-o-ng time and still not put as much carbon in the air as one CalFire

yeah, but that's a guaranteed emission. The forest fires arent guaranteed. (so they think)

 

[DoggyDaddy]

yeah, but that's a guaranteed emission. The forest fires arent guaranteed. (so they think)

I'm going to go out on a limb and guarantee there will be wild fires in California next year, and the year after that, and the year after that and... well, you get the idea. It will continue at least until the San Andreas drops them into the ocean as long as they continue with their idiotic eco-nazi policies.

 

[Mikey1911]

Another problem will be if either naturally-induced or BLM-induced fires reach either the Sylmar Converter Station (terminus of the Pacific DC Intertie that drains power from Bonneville Power Administration for the benefit of Los Angeles Department of Water and Power), or the Adelanto Converter Station (terminus of the Intermountain DC Intertie that drains power from Utah for the benefit of LADWP).

LADWP would lose up to 3100 megawatts if Sylmar goes down, or 2400 megawatts if Adelanto goes down.

The Sunland could look like the DPRK if either were to happen.