The NRA Press Conference

[TheReaper]

I understand your point but your argument with Kirk has gotten this thread off topic.

Like I said this is not a time for division amongst allies. We should all stand together in this. A unified front is much stronger than a split in the ranks.

I agree with the derailment, Kirk can PM me with all of the examples of the murderous rampage of Indiana law enforcement prior to SB1.

 

[kawtech87]

No it isn't. I'm more liberal than conservative in most ways but that doesn't mean I advocate gun control or support anyone who would take away my natural and Constitutional right to firearms. I served this country so that future generations could enjoy the same rights I have been blessed with, not to see them trampled on.

Thank you sir for your service. And I must admit I agree with you. You dont need to be conservative to belive in or fight for our rights.

But you must admit that the far left, Hardcore liberals, are the ones yelling at the tops of thier lungs about this.

How would you trim to fit the NRA's plan into you local school district?

 

[T.Lex]

I agree with the derailment, Kirk can PM me with all of the examples of the murderous rampage of Indiana law enforcement prior to SB1.

*cough* Fred Sanders *cough*

 

[Birds Away]

Any person or organization that would push a bill through, such as Indiana's "right to resist bill" as it was written hates law enforcement killing innocent people.

FIFY

Oh, and BTW, couldn't agree more.

 

[lovemachine]

Getting back to the NRA. I have a somewhat personal beef with them, and don't trust them. Their stance on this only solidifies it.

A police officer in every school? Not a bad idea, if you're a statist.

Better idea, support individual schools/school districts in deciding how best to secure their facilities - including arming teachers and/or parents, and MAYBE putting police in every school. The emphasis was on the wrong part of the speech.

Missed opportunity IMHO.

I don't see how a police officer in every school is a bad idea? Sure, I'd like to see schools sending teachers to training classes, and allowing them to be armed.

But why not police officers? How is that a bad idea?

At my wife's school, she teaches 2nd grade, there's been 2 police cars sitting in the parking lot, with one of the officers occasionally walking into the building. And, IMO, that's great.

I'm all for it.

 

[kawtech87]

I don't think the NRA is going to foot the bill for it - they don't roll that way. They will develop a curriculum, but I guaran-effing-tee you it won't be for free.

Again, I will admit a certain hostility to the NRA and will not claim to be objective, but I think that speech could (and should) have been MUCH better. Well, not just the speech, but the philosophy of the entity.

For me, it is like unions. Unions in the US were, at one time, a great and wonderful thing! Protecting regular Americans AND helping businesses succeed. But, at some point, the unions became interested in furthering the unions' goals, not the members' goals.

IMHO, the NRA is in the same situation. They are more interested in promoting the NRA than promoting the values of their members.

Yes, a whole lot of IMHO-sauce in this post. FWIW.

I totalll agree with the red parts. As far as the the NRA paying for it, Im sure in the long run they would pass the bill off to a not for profit or somthing. But it will most likley not get any traction so it doesnt matter anyway.

The NRA may in the times of peace been more interested in growing thier members than anything else. But now we, the members, will be pressing them hard to focus on the issues. And we cant let up on them even for a second. I know this and I hope most of the others do too.

 

[revance]

Of course the NRA cares about getting members and making money. That is why they work. A broke lobbyist is worthless. Yes they play politics. That is how you get things done.

Notice they did mention regular volunteers. They have to emphasize using LE or people will ignore them. You have to sway people towards adding armed protection slowly. Heck, even saying what they said the media is still saying the want to arm 6 year olds.

 

[Dave-O]

I will probably get clobbered by saying this but I can't beat up on the NRA. They sat back and did not jump out in the limelight the day after and get us clobbered with more emotional gun ownership hatred, and when they did come out it made a little sense and maybe just maybe some politicians looking for a way out might grap onto this and let us keep guns awhile longer. Plus a lot of the opposition will have trouble arguing with having a police officer present in the schools. And the arguement that it would not have made a difference will be an uphill climb for them. By all witness accounts when he heard the sirens he ended it. He was not going to confront the police.

I will take their approach this time over comming out on saturday ready to fight the opposition saying guns don't kill, people do. I agree, but we have to come up with a slightly new approach. IMH Humble O

 

[T.Lex]

I don't see how a police officer in every school is a bad idea? Sure, I'd like to see schools sending teachers to training classes, and allowing them to be armed.

But why not police officers? How is that a bad idea?

At my wife's school, she teaches 2nd grade, there's been 2 police cars sitting in the parking lot, with one of the officers occasionally walking into the building. And, IMO, that's great.

I'm all for it.

My friend, lovemachine (and yes, that sounds REALLY strange) I will apologize in advance for any offense you take in what I post. I do not mean to offend with what I am about to say, but I can find no other way to explain my thoughts on this.

We should not expect police to protect us. It is a false premise. That is not their role. I am glad your wife feels safer with the police officers in the parking lot. Even though that means that they are not patrolling the neighborhood where someone is getting burglarized? Or raped? Or investigating those kinds of crimes?

Let me be clear - I am not against police at every school. That is something that each community will have to consider. In order to have that discussion, though, we need to examine the costs - both financially, to the jurisdiction of hiring more police, and socially, in terms of what other crimes are going unenforced while those officers are waiting for the statistical equivalent of a lightning strike (or asteroid strike, probably).

Again, it is absolutely an idea to be discussed - a tool in the toolbox. But, I think it is fundamentally wrong to make it the cornerstone of the position.

I could go on. Again, I'm sorry if this is offensive to some. I have friends and family who are in law enforcement, so this is no knock against them whatsoever - just so we're clear on that, too.

 

[T.Lex]

They have to emphasize using LE or people will ignore them. You have to sway people towards adding armed protection slowly.

Again, apologies in advance, but I COMPLETELY disagree. (And strenuously.)

The NRA is NEVER ignored. They are the gun lobby equivalent of a drag queen. Always for attention. The days of "silence" leading up to today's announcement? For drama.

To the NRA's credit, at the times I feel most conflicted in my harsh feelings for them, they are the MOST effective when they are taking the "extreme" position to stand up for individuals' rights.

They did not "have" to emphasize LE any more than they "had" to make a statement. That was their choice. They had dozens of people contribute to that speech. Every word was a conscious decision.

A missed opportunity to take a really principled stand on the issue. Well, maybe that's harsh. It was a missed opportunity to not take a watered down, politically correct, socially expedient stand.

IMHO, again.

 

[lovemachine]

My friend, lovemachine (and yes, that sounds REALLY strange) I will apologize in advance for any offense you take in what I post. I do not mean to offend with what I am about to say, but I can find no other way to explain my thoughts on this.

We should not expect police to protect us. It is a false premise. That is not their role. I am glad your wife feels safer with the police officers in the parking lot. Even though that means that they are not patrolling the neighborhood where someone is getting burglarized? Or raped? Or investigating those kinds of crimes?

Let me be clear - I am not against police at every school. That is something that each community will have to consider. In order to have that discussion, though, we need to examine the costs - both financially, to the jurisdiction of hiring more police, and socially, in terms of what other crimes are going unenforced while those officers are waiting for the statistical equivalent of a lightning strike (or asteroid strike, probably).

Again, it is absolutely an idea to be discussed - a tool in the toolbox. But, I think it is fundamentally wrong to make it the cornerstone of the position.

I could go on. Again, I'm sorry if this is offensive to some. I have friends and family who are in law enforcement, so this is no knock against them whatsoever - just so we're clear on that, too.

Nah, I didn't take offense to anything you said. We're good.

I'd rather see armed teachers. I think that's the better way to go.

But having police officers guard schools is a good start. Expensive? Sure. But instead if having one officer guarding the school all the time, why not switch it up? Have assigned days for each officer to be stationed at a particular school in his "zone".

Again, it's a start, and it's better than what we have now.

 

[Danno6102]

I think the NRA's use of the term "armed guard" is going to hurt them. I think they would have been better served using a term like "security specialist" or some crap.

I also find it funny that the teachers & administators in this story below feel comforted & appreciate this officer doing what he did, but when the NRA proposes the EXACT SAME THING!!!!, all of the anti-gunners fly off the damn handle just because it came out of the mouth of the "evil" NRA!!

Local Police Officer Volunteers Time To Patrol Schools After Numerous Threats | WBNS-10TV Columbus, Ohio

 

[TopDog]

Love them, Hate them, the NRA is the only entity that is pro gun that is even getting any real media coverage. I thought the speech was well done and good format not taking questions at this time. Whatever the NRA says or does will never sway the lunatics that are anti gun. Our only chance in hell is to exercise what influence we have as voters on the politicians that will enact the forthcoming (and its coming) gun restrictions.

Write letters, make phone calls even make your voice heard on Facebook. Its obvious that our only chance of coming out of this will the least amount of damage to our rights is to yell louder and be seen & heard as group. Be silent and watch your gun rights evaporate, then best you be silent when they are gone, no crying after the fact.

Stand up and do something or get the hell out of the way.

 

[T.Lex]

Stand up and do something or get the hell out of the way.

Just said this in another thread, but I think it bears repeating:
I don't disagree, but want to say that we need to stop talking to each other. We need to talk to all of our family and friends (and school administrations) about who should take responsibility for our kids' safety. People are going to say mean things to us. Suck it up and say it anyway.

This "war" won't be won in legislatures, but in public opinion. We need to be lightning rods and influence people.

 

[Expat]

Love them, Hate them, the NRA is the only entity that is pro gun that is even getting any real media coverage. I thought the speech was well done and good format not taking questions at this time. Whatever the NRA says or does will never sway the lunatics that are anti gun. Our only chance in hell is to exercise what influence we have as voters on the politicians that will enact the forthcoming (and its coming) gun restrictions.

Write letters, make phone calls even make your voice heard on Facebook. Its obvious that our only chance of coming out of this will the least amount of damage to our rights is to yell louder and be seen & heard as group. Be silent and watch your gun rights evaporate, then best you be silent when they are gone, no crying after the fact.

Stand up and do something or get the hell out of the way.

Too bad the haters would rather spew their venom, due to some axe they feel they must grind, than join together to try to prevent our loss of gun rights. Good post Top Dogg.

 

[Roscoe38]

As Governor Perry of Texas states, he is in favor of all the teachers in the state of Texas who have the legal right to carry, to bring their weapons to the classroom. Now to me that is front line defense.

Are you, the people of INGO and also members of the NRA aware that your dues paid this GAS BAG lawyer $948,858 to $1,263,101 in salaries between 2008 and 2010. Hard to imagine what he will make this year.

I personally don't think Mr. Lapierre gives a Rats PaTew about anything but increasing his salary.

If the gun manufacturers need a lobby group....let them support that endeavor.

And yes I am a member of that pitiful organization (NRA) until my membership runs out.

No more.

Go to school Board meetings, demand security in the class room. These Board members in some communities are elected. Some are just cronies, but "ya gots to gets" their attention before any thing gets done.

"Nuff Sed"

 

[Indy60]

Judging from the response of politicians and the media, the NRA just joined "assault weapons" in the bulls eye of the shoot to kill target. I don't think anyone in Washington listened to Wayne and the overdue solution he proposed, nor do they really care.

 

[TheReaper]

As Governor Perry of Texas states, he is in favor of all the teachers in the state of Texas who have the legal right to carry, to bring their weapons to the classroom. Now to me that is front line defense.

Are you, the people of INGO and also members of the NRA aware that your dues paid this GAS BAG lawyer $948,858 to $1,263,101 in salaries between 2008 and 2010. Hard to imagine what he will make this year.

I personally don't think Mr. Lapierre gives a Rats PaTew about anything but increasing his salary.

If the gun manufacturers need a lobby group....let them support that endeavor.

And yes I am a member of that pitiful organization (NRA) until my membership runs out.

No more.

Go to school Board meetings, demand security in the class room. These Board members in some communities are elected. Some are just cronies, but "ya gots to gets" their attention before any thing gets done.

"Nuff Sed"

LOL, throw a lawyer into the mix and they'll take all the money and screw everyone over.

 

[jedi]

I am impressed by the NRA's statement and it makes a lot of sence.
So much so that I'm leaning very far into renewing my membership that I let expire many years ago. Maybe, just maybe... I want to see where this goes.


Like this part of the speech.

We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed security.
We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers.

 

[ag563]

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a link to todays NRA speech